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Post by Fortmax2020 on Feb 14, 2018 23:23:03 GMT
I'm not at all fussed about ships looking a bit different or holographic viewers instead of view screens. Nor do I think it needs any more explaining away than the difference between TOS and TNG-era Klingons do.
But my eyes are still rolling from 1) the Enterprise showing up. At all. Let alone this soon into a show about a different ship, 2) how small the universe apparently is. Sarek still vexes me. I like the character and portrayal but no real reason for it to have to be him. And now we have the Enterprise too.
They better do something extraordinary with it.
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 18, 2018 16:55:57 GMT
{Spoiler}Asked the Parental Units what they thought of Discovery. They enjoyed the series other than the last episode which they thought was lacking in action and tension. They completely misunderstood the ending. As Archer and an Enterprise had been mentioned in ep 14 very pointedly during the chat about going to the Klingon homeworld they thought that meant the Enterprise that turned up in ep 15 had Archer on it and were looking forward to him returning (they liked the Enterprise TV show). Then I explained it was actually the 60's ship so they assumed Kirk was on board. The more I tried to explain that no it would be Pike's ship and how the show fit in the Trek timeline the more they got confused. They had no idea that Discovery was meant to be 10 years before TOS! -Ralph |
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 25, 2018 11:31:43 GMT
I see there is a deleted scene out for episode 15 which has Surprised and Delighted some forum chums.
-Ralph
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Post by blueshift on Mar 25, 2018 11:48:10 GMT
I see there is a deleted scene out for episode 15 which has Surprised and Delighted some forum chums. -Ralph Are you being sarcastic, that was groan-worthy omg section 31 zzzzzzz |
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 25, 2018 15:30:55 GMT
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Mar 25, 2018 16:14:38 GMT
I concur with my esteemed colleague Blueshift.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 25, 2018 16:22:57 GMT
Time will tell if Discovery is catching Enterprise season 4 syndrome.
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Mar 25, 2018 20:48:29 GMT
Season 1 was already walking the line and may have stepped over it with the final scene.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Mar 28, 2018 14:55:17 GMT
There is a positive to Section 31 being the focus of season 2. I fully expect it to blow the novel plotlines about Section 31 to oblivion.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 28, 2018 16:54:50 GMT
Nooooooooooo.
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Mar 28, 2018 23:16:01 GMT
Afraid so.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 29, 2018 7:02:08 GMT
There's nowt in the novel s31 storylines that would be contradicted by there being 23rd century shenanigans.
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Mar 29, 2018 10:28:18 GMT
Except if they deal with inconsequential things like say its origins, structures or activities in the 23rd century. I can't believe the TV show will feel at all beholden to uphold the novels if they get in the way of the stories they want to tell.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 29, 2018 17:14:46 GMT
Ah but after Trip defeats them in the 22nd century the door is left open for their return. No reason they can't do stuff in the 200 years afterwards until they pop up in ds9.
Ask me about their computer which is behind everything...ever!!!
-Ralph
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Post by legios on Mar 29, 2018 17:42:05 GMT
In fairness, if Section 31 are just incompetent rather than certifiably self-harming then it is likely to be organised in a cell structure - so if it all goes pear-shaped then critical links just disappear - taking out the one person who can connect the cell to one higher in the command structure. So you roll up every Section 31 member you can find and everyone they can lead you to, and more of the cancer starts metastisising from a single cell somewhere else...
Or it might be like Section One - only a couple of people know who they really report to(Oversight, in the case of Section One. Heck, in that case active Section One agents didn't know that there were other Sections - let alone about Oversight), so you "retire" those two folk, allow the rest of the organisation to burn to the ground and then start again.
Or perhaps they take the approach taken in "Alpha Protocol" - running a backup organisation at the same time, so if the government gets cold feet or the organisation becomes politically exposed they can just kill or burn everyone (in the "Alpha Protocol" version they even blow up the headquarters!) and bring the backup online.
Only option one here is a sane and sensible method of keeping the horrible little facists in business, but given that we are talking S31 sane and sensible methodology have long gone out of the window anyway.
They are a bit like a bad penny. No matter how much it would be nice to be rid of them there is always an excuse to bring them back.
Karl
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 29, 2018 21:04:29 GMT
I just love that they now wear special highly visible badges that identify them as being Section 31 agents and hope that no-one else will see through this clever disguise.
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 14, 2018 22:33:44 GMT
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Apr 14, 2018 22:51:59 GMT
Well he's a good solid hand.
Hopefully he was allowed to share those spoilers!
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 15, 2018 12:11:17 GMT
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Post by blueshift on Jun 15, 2018 12:23:47 GMT
Well lets keep our hat on around the phrase 'abuse allegations' in this day and age. The worst thing the article states is that the showrunners leaned across a table and swore at the writers. |
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Post by Bogatan on Jun 15, 2018 12:38:08 GMT
Yeah reading it the term is technically correct, but in the current climate sounds worse than the article is saying. If true firing is not unreasonable, but it seems, especially based on the comments, there are other factors at work, over spending might be part of it too.
Downside kurtzman takes charge.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jun 15, 2018 12:51:51 GMT
Firings sound very justified no matter the 'type' of abuse. You simply don't treat or act around people in that way at all let alone if you are meant to be guiding them and getting the best from them.
I also suspect we are getting a very sanitised and publicly polite version of what went on to generate such a revolving door of staff and writers.
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Post by blueshift on Jun 15, 2018 13:02:40 GMT
Firings sound very justified no matter the 'type' of abuse. You simply don't treat or act around people in that way at all let alone if you are meant to be guiding them and getting the best from them. I also suspect we are getting a very sanitised and publicly polite version of what went on to generate such a revolving door of staff and writers. Oh absolutely, but when people say 'abuse' in hollywood at the moment it tends to be the 'sex pest' sort of thing!! |
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Post by legios on Jun 15, 2018 14:46:45 GMT
Firings sound very justified no matter the 'type' of abuse. You simply don't treat or act around people in that way at all let alone if you are meant to be guiding them and getting the best from them. Indeed, any kind of bullying and maltreatment of staff falls into the category of abuse and it isn't something that should be tolerated. Good on CBS for acting to protect the rest of their staff from that kind of treatment. Once you get into threats being levied, and bad language being levied you are into a hostile workplace situation and a good employer has a duty of care to do something about that. The fact that there have been other cases of abusive behaviour in the news recently which have been more severe does not mean that other kinds of abusive behaviour cease to be so. The entertainment industry needs to get to grips with what has long been an environment which has tolerate various degrees and levels of abusive behaviour, and that culture needs to be dealt with on whatever level it manifests. Karl |
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 15, 2018 16:05:46 GMT
Indeed, especially as the ethos of Star Trek is about people working together to overcome problems.
I have experienced 'abuse' similar to what has been stated in the linked article in my working life and it had a huge impact upon me. No different for folk in entertainment industry. If folk have been subjected to such issues in their workplace then good riddance to those who did it. Star Trek doesn't need them.
-Ralph
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Post by drmick on Jun 19, 2018 16:07:24 GMT
Sometimes you need to give your staff a good rollicking. Ben Sisko would have.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jun 19, 2018 17:13:33 GMT
Umm, no and no.
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 20, 2018 22:16:33 GMT
Season 2 trailer. Looks fun!
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jul 21, 2018 9:02:41 GMT
That does!
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Post by legios on Jul 21, 2018 22:48:00 GMT
A bit of humour, a bit of high-tension, a bit of pushing out into unexplored territory in pursuit of something unexplained... Yeah, I like that. As far as the trailer goes at any rate it looks like Season 2 of ":Discovery" may very well hit some of the notes I most liked in "Star Trek". Interested to see where they go with this.
Karl
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