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Post by The Doctor on Aug 3, 2018 22:23:32 GMT
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Post by legios on Aug 4, 2018 16:46:51 GMT
He he he. That is brilliant. I do like Issacs, he is good value in interviews.
Karl
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Aug 5, 2018 13:18:42 GMT
Hah.
He is always entertaining, I would wager he will resurface down the line as Lorca.
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Post by drmick on Aug 5, 2018 13:58:11 GMT
Hah. He is always entertaining, I would wager he will resurface down the line as Lorca. By refusing to answer any questions about it- I am not only assuming that he definitely is coming back, but that it will be in season 2 as well! |
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 6, 2018 7:07:34 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 8, 2018 21:42:11 GMT
If anyone has been avoiding spoilers for Discovery S1 and been waiting for the disc release DO NOT WATCH THE PROMO TRAILER FOR IT. All the twists blown!!!
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 14, 2018 17:10:04 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 14, 2018 18:38:30 GMT
Very sensible decision not to go with a 'name' actor or Quinto.
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 20, 2018 19:25:30 GMT
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Sept 20, 2018 23:20:31 GMT
Ugh. Mudd.
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 21, 2018 8:44:55 GMT
I thought you loved his episodes???
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Sept 21, 2018 13:43:08 GMT
Absolutely not.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 8, 2018 13:18:17 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 10, 2018 21:53:54 GMT
The first Short Treks ep is available in the US and Canada but not anywhere else *cough Dailymotion cough*.
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 24, 2018 13:50:59 GMT
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Post by Toph on Nov 24, 2018 20:01:24 GMT
Okay, Disco having been released to dvd years earlier than expected (THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT, NETFLIX! When the show still actually has hype, and people wanting to see it!), I'm catching up on the thread now that I'm caught up- That works better than the actual music they chose. Best quote ever. My initial response to Tilly was slightly negative, but for different reasons. Tilly didn't feel Trek enough. If any one has watched Orville yet (or is it The Orville?) its whole thing is TNG but were all the characters act like us rather than the evolved morally superior humans of the future. Tilly was too much one of us. The rest of the cast may be sociopaths/grumps, but seem like Trek sociopaths/grumps to me. Treks had its share of dodgy captains and crazy scientists/engineers. Yes they were usually there to learn their lesson or get their cumuppence, but they were there far more often then anyone like Tilly. So a little bit more of an adjustment period for her than the other characters, but its all good now. I'd have to say a strong counterpoint to this would be Barclay. He retreated into holodeck fantasies because he was so socially awkward. He makes Tilly look really well socially adjusted. (I love Tilly) Yeah, I don't think that they stuck the landing at all.
I can see what they were going for. We were supposed to feel like we had been sucker-punched by Lorca too, and that Georgiou-evil was the lesser of two evils but in honesty they simply didn't sell that at all. I can understand why Burnham made the choice that she made. Part of it is guilt-driven - she is still grieving for her Georgiou whose death she blames herself for - and part of it is a very selfish and self-protective unwillingness to watch Georgiou die again. But that is _her_ reasons for what she did, and doesn't represent a reason for me to agree with the action. And I think it is that latter caveat that the writers room lost sight of. They gave Burnham plenty of reasons to rationalise what she had done, but simply assumed that the audience would agree with them because Burnham is the main character and assumed that we would simply line up with her because "we had been following along with her all along". Unfortunately for them, whilst I have come to like Burnham, I don't simply agree that a decision is a sound one just because a/the main character is the one making it. Heck, I've probably agreed with Saru as much as I've agreed with Burnham so far this season, because I'm not convinced her judgement is always particularly sound! I can see what they were going for, but I just think that they fluffed the "sell" in the final analysis.
I am quite befuddled as to the fact that we have come out of that arc with Yeoh back in the show as well. Given how uncomfortable she seems, and how it is affecting her performance I can't help but feel that this is a colossal error of judgement. The loss of Issacs is unfortunate as well. Even given that they pulled the "Ha ha! I was eeeeeevil all along!" thing, such a final end seems like a waste. If there was any villain on the show who deserved the chance to pull a fist-waving "I'll get my revenge on yooooouuuuu!" it was surely Gabriel Lorca.
That said, the episode wasn't entirely without things to enjoy. It had surprisingly good action sequences - the cooridoor confrontation between the Emperor and Lorca was great fun, and the fist-fight in the throne room was surprisingly well choreagraphed. (Did anyone else catch the two "fake leg" kicks in the fight? Amusing to see an old HK standby in a modern American action sequence). Isaacs was wonderful in full scenery chewing mode. The sort of high-octane villain melodrama that is a real joy to watch.
Saru's pep-talk and his whole "She is not Lorca's. She is ours, and this is her maiden voyage" scene was absolutely brilliant. My immediate reaction was Saru for Captain henceforth please. The matter-of-fact but absolutely unyielding delivery of his "I don't like the rules of the universe. Go and find a way to cheat" speech was pure Starfleet Captain material.
Seeing the Mirror Analogue to the Discovery's original Security Chief was a fun surprise, and somehow there is something vaguely amusing in the fact that she is basically the same terrible person in the evil universe that she was in the good one. Apparently some folk are just nasty people no matter what. :-) I did enjoy seeing her own cockiness get her killed _again_ to. Although it was never going to top "death by angry Water Bear" lets face it.
I also liked that it was Lorca's own sense of destiny that was his undoing in the end. He was quite convinced that the entire universe was lining things up so that everything would go his way...and then Burnham points out that she doesn't believe in fate.. I knew then that he was in for a very long fall from his perch. It felt like it fitted the character, rather than being a moment of random sudden stupidity or a weakness pulled from thin air.
Mirror Stamets was great too. Nice performance from an actor who has been somewhat inconsistently served by the show until now. I liked the fact that Lorca knew that he'd switch sides at the drop of a hat and was smart enough to use that as well.
It wasn't a good episode, and they dropped the ball very badly in ending what had been a good mini-arc. There were things in there that I enjoyed, but at best it was distinctly a Curates Egg of an episode. Karl There's something to take in account for, in that this show is Michael's story. That is very different from every other Star Trek, which follows a multi-cast narrative. Almost anything Michael does, the show will show as being right (at that time), because she thinks it is. Even if it objectively isn't, in times other Treks would agree that it isn't. In contrast, Worf once allowed a Romulan to die, when he could have easily saved him, all because of his prejudice. (And Worf has a nearly identical origin story to Michael) If TNG were Worf's narrative- that is to say, if he were the main character, then the show most likely would have taken all that context and showed him as being in the right. Where as TNG's actual narrative is much more objective, and not tied primarily to one character, it showed him as being in the wrong. ________ Okay so, my thoughts are that I really really enjoyed it. But it's not Star Trek.... yet. But by the end, it was way more Trek than at the start. I liked the character arcs over all. I liked how each character- Michael, Saru, Tilly, Stamets, L'Rell, Tyler/Voq, and the Admiral ended as better versions of themselves. That is absolutely the essence of Star Trek. The Enterprise- I have a different opinion than the rest of the board. I think it kinda sucks as "the ending of Season 1," but it makes an absolute awesome series finale. And I do believe it was written to be a definitive series end, but with an open for a possible season two which hadn't been cleared before it was probably written. I've also read, though I can't confirm, that they did not have legal rights to the image of the Enterprise as we know her? Which is why she had a more drastic redesign than necessary. I'm also okay with different uniforms. TOS made it canon back in the sixties that different ships had their own unique badge/crests, but like every NASA mission has it's own unique patch. It's not at all a leap to believe that different ships and/or different branches of Starfleet have their own unique uniforms. The difference in the Enterprise and Discovery's uniforms could be similar to the the difference in the US Airforce and NASA. I kinda have more to say, but I been at this thread for hours now. |
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Post by blueshift on Nov 24, 2018 20:59:14 GMT
Apparently for legal reasons, any new Trek has to be 25% different from the original show, which is insane
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Post by Toph on Nov 24, 2018 22:14:13 GMT
Until we get canon official word I'm accepting Enterprise and Discovery as a separate continuity. Prime 2.0, or so, where the events happen very much like TOS, unless stated otherwise. Basically like FP's WoH continuity was Sunbow unless they said otherwise.
Discovery very much feels like a visual successor to Enterprise, but as has been noted from veers a bit to the extreme away from established Prime Universe aesthetics, if nothing else.
Also... does the Discovery not have doors on her giant shuttlebay?
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 11, 2019 18:46:39 GMT
6/7 days left (depending where you live) until s2 starts!
It feels odd that episodes will be Friday in the UK. I got quite used to s1 dropping on Mondays!
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 11, 2019 18:50:12 GMT
In other news, I really enjoyed the 4 Short Treks episodes. I hope to be able to rewatch them in better quality via a legit source should they become available outside US/Canada. The 3rd one certainly *felt* like it ties directly into the main show.
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 17, 2019 10:51:42 GMT
The 4 ten minute Star Trek Short Trek eps now on Netflix. They are hard to find. Click on Discovery then 'trailers and more' and scroll to end. They are listed as Runaway, Calypso, The Brightest Star and The Escape Artist.
-Ralph
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Post by Jim on Jan 18, 2019 19:33:14 GMT
Ah, thanks for the heads-up, would never have guessed that! I found the Tilly one a bit so-so, but Calypso was excellent - even if a bit predictable it was very well done.
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 18, 2019 20:13:40 GMT
Season 2 episode 1: Someones taken on board lots of last years critisism. Though I cant decide if they are trying a bit too hard.
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Post by Jim on Jan 18, 2019 20:41:12 GMT
Yes, I think that's fair.
I enjoyed it overall but it was a bit shapeless as an individual episode, maybe too much happening?
Pike is very likable, though I'm slightly disappointed he ditched the Enterprise uniform for the Discovery one, it looked good!
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 18, 2019 22:51:08 GMT
Loved it. The good stuff was retained and the less good aspects dialled back.
-Ralph
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Post by Jim on Jan 18, 2019 23:19:07 GMT
Been thinking more about it. Definitely enjoyed it, but one thing it feels like it has dialled back is the off-kilter "differentness" for wont of a better word of early S1. I was really skeptical of the first couple of episodes but it had stuff that kept me coming back - the different take on the Klingons, Lorca (still feel his character was wasted in the end); this feels much more traditional.
I will miss the spore drive, I liked both the idea and the special effect.
Are we supposed to take it that Pike is hiding something? I wasn't sure whether that was being hinted at in a literal way or if it was a way of highlighting the crew's post-Lorca paranoia. I've already warmed to him anyway, so good job there.
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 19, 2019 8:53:02 GMT
"Wheres my damn red thing?" may be my favourite line of Trek since DS9
Disco better get new uniforms by the end of the season.
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 19, 2019 8:55:15 GMT
Yes, I think that's fair.
I enjoyed it overall but it was a bit shapeless as an individual episode, maybe too much happening?
Pike is very likable, though I'm slightly disappointed he ditched the Enterprise uniform for the Discovery one, it looked good!
Shapeless. Yes exactly. I got 20 minutes in and realised I had no clue what the episode was about. I found it hilarious that they straight up did a Transformers issue one roll call in episode 16 because thats how developed the bridge crew are. |
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 19, 2019 9:13:37 GMT
Ariam has been recast! I thought she moved differently.
-Ralph
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Post by legios on Jan 19, 2019 17:28:30 GMT
The 4 ten minute Star Trek Short Trek eps now on Netflix. They are hard to find. Click on Discovery then 'trailers and more' and scroll to end. They are listed as Runaway, Calypso, The Brightest Star and The Escape Artist. -Ralph They were all rather good I thought. Really good showcases for the small casts involved, and all of them interesting little stories. The Tilly one was fantastic - dropping Tilly into an off-kilter version of an old "juvenile" novel was highly entertaining. Escape Artist is basically a shaggy dog story with a punchline, but I enjoyed the punch-line - so mission accomplished there. Karl |
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