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Post by The Doctor on Feb 28, 2019 19:36:02 GMT
Oh it wasn't people disliking it that took me away from certain sites. It was the screaming about it before a scene had been even been shot as well as many trolls making hateful comments about women and black people. This is not only pretty wrong but also misses the whole point of Star Trek. The shows were diverse in outlook decades before diversity caught on in other parts of the media. Hating something because it has a black woman in the lead is just awful.
This is entirely different from folk watching a show and saying they just don't like it. That is ok.
-Ralph
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Post by drmick on Mar 1, 2019 0:37:14 GMT
That's flat out racism- what sort of Trek sites were you looking at!?!?
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 1, 2019 8:56:23 GMT
Quite a few including the official Trek FB pages (reader comments). Alas, as with Star Wars and Doctor Who, online Trek fandom has been swamped by loud trolls who really don't like the idea of the lead character being a woman.
-Ralph
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Post by drmick on Mar 1, 2019 16:49:16 GMT
So it was more of a female thing than a race thing? Making her a junior officer hasn't really helped matters, but it has worked out quite well in practice I think.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 1, 2019 17:56:58 GMT
Alas no I also saw a lot of comments which were racist too. I hope it it was a vocal minority and has gone away.
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Mar 1, 2019 22:52:23 GMT
The red angel will be something to do with Pike and the Talosians. They will not be able to help themselves. 2.7. Nailed it. And at least they found Spock. Although oh well, he was at home all along felt a bit like a 'we really need to move this on' moment. |
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 2, 2019 18:13:54 GMT
I almost lost my shit when I heard the TOS 'engine straining' sound effect in the shuttle!!! The urge to list to one side was almost uncontrollable.
-Ralph
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Post by blueshift on Mar 2, 2019 18:27:57 GMT
The flipside of the reaction to Discovery season 1 was the production seemed to be completely embarrassed about being Star Trek and wanting to distance itself from it, culminating in a bizarre series of interviews with the production team that seemed to present all other Star Trek as right wing and that this was going to be the first progressive Trek series, and would have 'the first black lead in Star Trek' (ie 'what is DS9??). That latter part was in the Independent and to be fair they did reedit the article afterwards. I think it's always a shame when a show feels it needs to tear down its past in order to build itself up, rather than simply do something well.
Season one was at its worst, SUPER VIOLENT and seemed to enjoy torture and rape (eye torture is my #1 ick and they even went there). It was at its best in the middle bit when it seemed to actually like being Star Trek and was having fun (the first half of the MU arc which was quite silly despite the subject matter)
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Post by blueshift on Mar 2, 2019 18:43:37 GMT
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Post by Jim on Mar 2, 2019 18:54:52 GMT
The flipside of the reaction to Discovery season 1 was the production seemed to be completely embarrassed about being Star Trek and wanting to distance itself from it, culminating in a bizarre series of interviews with the production team that seemed to present all other Star Trek as right wing and that this was going to be the first progressive Trek series, and would have 'the first black lead in Star Trek' (ie 'what is DS9??). whaaaat?!? I don't think I've seen many mainstream TV shows as explicitly left wing as DS9 sometimes was. When I did a big binge of it circa 2011 I was genuinely taken aback on occasion, I can't imagine Discovery being remotely as politically bold as that. Discovery treating Section 31 as a necessary evil kind of a thing is a swing to the right from DS9, too. |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Mar 2, 2019 20:42:49 GMT
Every time Discovery includes the super secret Section 31 now being so commonly known makes me just roll my eyes and go I get it, you're making a Section 31 show. Move on already.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 2, 2019 21:42:38 GMT
They're super secret in the 24th century. Not so super secret a hundred years before Discovery (Archer knew about them). Presumably something happens that drives them underground between Discovery/TOS/TAS and TNG.
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Mar 2, 2019 22:37:54 GMT
Yes, possibly they were over used.  |
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Post by drmick on Mar 3, 2019 0:22:39 GMT
Just wait until the Borg pop up!
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Mar 3, 2019 15:24:00 GMT
I fully expect them in the Section 31 series.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 3, 2019 15:43:02 GMT
It should be pointed out that the Section 31 series is merely in development and has not as yet been greenlit for full production.
The shows other than Discovery which have been greenlit are Lower Decks and the untitled Picard show. There is also a kids cartoon for Nickelodeon announced though it is difficult to tell from what is in the public domain as to whether it has entered full production.
I can't say I am champing at the bit for a Section 31 show - I like them in a supporting role and not sure about them in a starring role. However as there are now multiple other new Trek shows if one of them isn't my cup of tea no harm done. It won't be the only show in town.
We did, after all, go 12 years with no new Trek TV at all.
-Ralph
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Post by Bogatan on Mar 3, 2019 16:27:07 GMT
If its a 6-8 episode miniseries exploring how they became the super secret and kinda evil group of DS9 then Im interested, but I can't imagine how to keep it interesting for more than a few seasons.
Unless it becomes an anthology. A few seasons set between Discovery and Undiscovered country then some more set in the gap to their appearances on DS9 could be fun.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Mar 3, 2019 17:40:48 GMT
I think it worries me that they not only seem to be not coming up with original ideas but seem to want to amplify the past ones they are using as well.
In just a season and a half we've had The Mirror Universe, Section 31, Sarek and Amanda, Pike, Spock and the Enterprise, Talos IV and now shades of the Temporal Cold War are coming through.
Rehasing earlier ideas and fan favs are where Enterprise all went wrong. Thus far Discovery is so well done it is pulling it off.. but the lack of originality concerns me.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 3, 2019 18:29:22 GMT
I don't mind it because it feels like they are doing interesting things with past stuff rather than merely setting things up which is often the curse of prequels.
As for Section 31, prior to Discovery they were in a handful of episodes among 700-odd. There really wasn't that much established about them. Amanda had zero characterisation previously other than 'Spock's mum' but now I find her to be compelling.
It's what's done with past stuff rather than the use of it that determines whether I think something is any good. Mining little used stuff is ok. It's if it leans into things already heavily done that I get annoyed. So, if for example, we got a season of Bog stories I might go: 'huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurn'.
I watched THE MENAGERIE last night and actually got new things out of it, despite having seen it many many times before, due to what Discovery has been doing with some of the elements in it.
Considering how dead Trek was on TV for over a decade I can see the sense in mining past stuff in initial new series to get bums on seats. I can see new Trek bringing in more original elements as it goes on.
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 3, 2019 18:42:19 GMT
I think a Section 31 series has legs, provided they give it a definite ending and work their way back from that.
Andy
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Post by Benn on Mar 3, 2019 22:20:04 GMT
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought of the Temporal Cold War during Discovery.
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Post by Jim on Mar 13, 2019 20:06:03 GMT
so in many ways the most recent episode was an arc-advancing, moving-the-pieces-around affair which I am on record as usually hating, but I thought it was _great_. Maybe my favourite of the season so far. So much good character stuff.
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Post by Bogatan on Mar 15, 2019 16:57:25 GMT
That was really good, but....
imagine how much more impact that would have had if Discovery had spent the first season (and honestly most of this one) developing the background bridge crew instead of this episode being basically the first major screen time the character got.
I still cant remember most of their names and spent most of this episode trying to remember who the other guy on the bridge was. Has the asian guy actually done anything yet?
Airiam deserved better. TNG had given O'Brien more character development by this point than any of Discovery's B team has gotten despite them being in nearly every episode. And DS9 had built an entire universe of characters by the start of season 2. As Discovery improves in other areas the lack of character development among most of the crew is becoming increasingly obvious and annoying. |
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Post by Bogatan on Mar 15, 2019 17:58:03 GMT
Given that Pike at some point needs to return to the Enterprise I wonder if they are thinking about making Number 1 the next captain.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 16, 2019 21:09:53 GMT
Edge of the seat stuff this week!
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Mar 16, 2019 21:52:30 GMT
Full approval from the M's from this week's episode. The whole thing with the AI 'Control' wasn't very well done though. A couple of mumbled lines last episode and then suddenly we should all get it this week. Ralph tells me it is from the books but it needed to be explained clearly in show.
And has it come from the future (Via the future probe) and then transmitted itself to Section 31 and took over? How does that tie in with it already being around and Starfleet using it to make decisions? |
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Post by Bogatan on Mar 22, 2019 16:07:45 GMT
Just watched this weeks episode. So Airiam was recast at the start of season two, she died last week and this week if I'm not mistaken was replaced on the bridge by the character that the original Ariam actress had been recast as.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 22, 2019 20:48:22 GMT
Indeed!
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Mar 22, 2019 23:34:36 GMT
Watching ep 5.
Skipped the intro.
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Post by blueshift on Mar 22, 2019 23:36:16 GMT
Watching ep 5. Skipped the intro. The TRAITOR GENERAL reveals himself!! |
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