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Post by Bogatan on Apr 19, 2019 14:29:12 GMT
Discovery at its best and worst today. Spoiler
All the emotional goodbyes were too much. Individually great, but collectively just annoyed me because the odds are everything is going to work out fine.
If Spock and Georgio hadn't joined them, they could have maybe convinced me they were going to do something really audacious next week. But given the Short with Discovery alone in the future and Spock having to make it back to Enterprise at some point, it all felt a bit redundant. Spoiler
The Enterprises bridge looks fricking fantastic even if the lighting was a little (a lot) over done.
I like the Discovery's design, but looking at Enterprise as a whole along with its uniforms and its really the route to modernisation they should have taken in the first place.
Hoping to crew make it back next week, get a new ship more like Enterprise and Number one transfers in as Captain As far as I can tell she has no established future events that the show would have to work around and I think would be a good fit. Spoiler
So they went with the audacious option. Thats unexpected and just a little bit of a concern. Trek has tended to make the future look less and less appealing the further forward they go. 700 years beyond the end of Voyager, dont know how I feel about that.
And they've done it just as the seemed to have gotten to grips with a prequel setting.
As usual, a little hamfisted, Spocks "we must never speak of them again on pain of death" could have been a little more subtle.
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 19, 2019 20:55:24 GMT
Finale watched.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF!!!
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Apr 19, 2019 21:13:09 GMT
Do we have any idea what season 3 will be about? Or out?
Great episode but a bit too much TIME CRITICAL PEOPLE ARE DYING but we must still fit in some more teary farewells.
More Pike and Enterprise please. Didn't think I would be saying that a while ago as I am still not a big fan of prequels. Well done to the whole team behind the show.
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 19, 2019 21:46:48 GMT
Season 3 is in pre-production with filming starting in July, going by statements from producers. I imagine we will see it sometime in 2020 after Picard season 1.
-Ralph
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Post by drmick on Apr 20, 2019 12:44:43 GMT
Pretty exciting finale.
The plot and technology contrivances around the embedded torpedo were just outright offensive though.
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Post by Pinwig on Apr 20, 2019 14:36:53 GMT
I thought those last two episodes were fantastic. As a casual viewer when it comes to Trek, I thought this season was great. It dipped a bit around eps 6,7,8 and felt like it was beginning to pad more than develop, but it came through really powerfully from ten onwards. Spoiler
The big battle in the finale felt much more Star Wars than Star Trek to me, but it was all the better for it. Fantastic stuff. The weird thing now is that it feels like the next season should follow Pike and the Enterprise and leave the Discovery behind. The Pike/Number One/Spock combo has huge potential and I can't believe that's the end of that set up. I shall now be watching The Cage. I've never seen that. I thought it would be an extra on the TOS blu-ray set I have, but I don't see it listed. Fortunately, I see it's on Netflix anyway. I am resolved to use this to reboot my previous aborted attempt to watch TOS properly. |
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Post by Bogatan on Apr 20, 2019 15:34:07 GMT
I reckon CBS All Access needs a pretty much constant stream of Trek to keep the trek fanbase subscribing all year.
From September-ish this year Picard and Discovery will cover about 6 months. Section 31 if it was ready to go after Discovery will cover up to another 3 months. That leaves 3-4 1/2 months for another show. The animated or kid/teen focussed shows could fill it but I think a 6-8 episode Pike series would be a better fit.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Apr 20, 2019 16:00:41 GMT
Not sure if we want to run into the same danger of too much Trek as that's what killed it off the last time... Given last night's events could the upcoming Section 31 show be set in the far future dealing with restoring the Federation etc? That's something I could be interested in.. |
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Post by Bogatan on Apr 20, 2019 16:24:56 GMT
You say that but for me the best period of Trek was the 7 years of DS9 which was running alongside another show for its entire run.
So I dont think too much trek was the issue, I'd say having the same guys in charge for too long was the real killer. Berman and Braga ran out of steam sometime during Voyager. New blood should have been brought in from the start on Enterprise. The difference Manny Coto made to the show when he came on board was amazing.
As long as there are different creative teams on each show I dont think 40 episodes a year is over doing it.
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Post by Bogatan on Apr 20, 2019 16:33:04 GMT
Not sure if we want to run into the same danger of too much Trek as that's what killed it off the last time... Spoiler
Given last night's events could the upcoming Section 31 show be set in the far future dealing with restoring the Federation etc? That's something I could be interested in.. Spoiler
I wondered that, but they seemed to be setting up Tyler for the show.
Unless they are planning on doing an anthology or something really odd. Tyler in the past rebuilding Section 31 and Georgiou in the future investigating how and why the Federation collapsed.*
*I'm kind of liking the idea I read that season 3 Discovery would take Reddenburys Andromeda concept and use it in Trek.
Or it means the crew will only spend season 3 or part of it in the future before returning to their present. But that would make Spocks we must never speak of them thing even more stupid. I suppose it could just be Georgiou who comes back and is snapped up by Section 31. |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Apr 20, 2019 17:12:12 GMT
Yes, it was more the wretched state one crew running double shows while planning more and movies I was worried about. Multiple crews is a good way forward and would provide some variety as well.
As for MC on Enterprise... Season 4 was dreadful. Season 3 was well done and would work well for modern box set streaming habits but didn't fit witb viewing habits of the time.
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Post by drmick on Apr 20, 2019 17:59:47 GMT
Not sure if we want to run into the same danger of too much Trek as that's what killed it off the last time... Given last night's events could the upcoming Section 31 show be set in the far future dealing with restoring the Federation etc? That's something I could be interested in.. Regarding your spoiler- I think that is the plan for Discovery season 3. Clearly they are laying groundwork for a 3rd show set in the Discovery era, and Section 31 seems to have the most groundwork, but clearly Pike, Spock and Mystique have staked a good claim too. |
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 20, 2019 18:48:09 GMT
From public statements from showrunners, Section 31 has had a pilot script order but not a full series commission as yet. If it goes to series it would be "after season 3 of Discovery".
Though plans (and showrunners) can change! We will see!
Had a few niggles but thoroughly enjoyed Disco s2 overall. Feels like folk behind the scenes are getting more of a handle on how to do Trek in the modern era...unless any more showrunners are let go! S1 was decent but for me s2 was far more tonally consistent with just a bit more polish to it.
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 29, 2019 9:03:33 GMT
Anson Mount co-hosts a podcast. Ethan Peck and Doug Jones are in a few episodes. thewellpod.com-Ralph |
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Post by The Doctor on May 1, 2019 13:09:11 GMT
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Post by Fortmax2020 on May 1, 2019 19:39:51 GMT
In stereo!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 5, 2019 20:04:42 GMT
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Oct 5, 2019 22:15:11 GMT
Enjoyed that. Looking forward to it.
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Post by Toph on Nov 22, 2019 11:23:59 GMT
Okay, so season 2 was released on bluray this week, and I'm rewatching season 1 in preparation.
I know similar has been said dozens of times, but I really think most of the criticism of the show would vanish had the klingons just up and been called an entirely new species. (There are at least two races who look vulcan, and dozens of races who look human. And even one race who's ferenginoid. Another klingonoid race wouldn't be a problem)
I mean how many "important" races from TOS never even get mentioned TNG onwards? I certainly wouldn't have a problem with this being another. And how often in general conversation does one casually mention a war from over a hundred years ago?
To me a bigger canon issue than than a whole unspoken race that nearly ended the federation a hundred years prior, is the lack of mention of the spore drive in Voyager. I would think that this would be something Janeway would investigate in trying to get home.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Nov 22, 2019 20:43:28 GMT
I doubt it was known about. Hushed up at the highest levels a hundred years before.
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Post by Toph on Nov 22, 2019 22:25:02 GMT
Maybe? Discovery itself makes it seem like it had become less classified as they started trying to figure out how to modify other ships for it during the war. And afterwards, I think it was deemed a failure (not at the end of S1 on my second run through, yet, so my memory there might be faulty?). So a failed 100 year old engine design doesn't seem like something Starfleet would keep at a high level classification.
On one hand, Janeway kiiiiinda seems like a captain who would have access to that sorta materials. On the other hand, if it hadn't been practically erased, then the Borg would definitely know about it, and Seven would know about it. And that seems like the kind of thing the Borg would perfect and become unstoppable.
At the very least, one would think Starfleet proper would start looking into it as a way to get Voyager back home.
(I mean it had hundreds of successful jumps on Discovery, and here they would only need it to work once or twice.)
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Post by Toph on Nov 27, 2019 1:43:05 GMT
Finished Season 2. They really mastered the emotional gutpunches this season.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 15, 2019 17:36:41 GMT
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 15, 2019 17:49:04 GMT
I will be giving this a go, possibly at 9pm on E4+1 after TNBC has finished. (Though I have the film on Blu-ray, so I may watch Star Trek at 8. We'll see.) Martin |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 22, 2019 22:16:09 GMT
So, I've watched the first two episodes. Apart from the brooding mutinous Vulcan I've quite enjoyed it, and really like Michelle Yeoh as captain. But... they just killed her off! Is she not the captain throughout this series then?  Martin |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 22, 2019 22:25:22 GMT
The answer to that question involves SPOILERS
But Michelle Yeoh was clearly listed as a Special Guest Star so.....
The first two episodes are setup for what follows.
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 22, 2019 22:27:08 GMT
Martin is about to go on a journey!
-Ralph
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Post by Toph on Dec 23, 2019 3:37:27 GMT
You could even say he's embarking on a trek
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 2, 2020 22:58:24 GMT
11:40 on a Sunday from next week? FFS!
Shiny disc time
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 3, 2020 9:18:50 GMT
Oh dear.
-Ralph
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