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Post by The Doctor on Nov 27, 2021 9:00:58 GMT
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Post by KnightBeat on Nov 28, 2021 0:58:10 GMT
Virgin Media also helpfully provides a Pluto app.
A fantastic start to the season! I'm particularly impressed by the anti-gravity effect on the bridge in episode 2.
The US-style commercial break between the final scene and end credits was a little confusing
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 28, 2021 21:12:10 GMT
Certainly feels like there is more of a lightness of tone and sense of fun. Less crying than usual.
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 19, 2022 9:34:54 GMT
Pluto TV is a pain in the hoop.
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 25, 2022 22:13:59 GMT
Season 4 got off to a cracking start, but it's been treading water since it came back after the mid-season break.
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 26, 2022 10:55:55 GMT
More water treading yesterday. Starting to feel like a 10-episode story is being stretched out to 13-episodes.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 26, 2022 10:58:27 GMT
Yup. No Tilly and no Reno isn't helping.
And that nasty scientist bloke annoys me
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Post by Bogatan on Feb 27, 2022 14:08:05 GMT
Its a show I increasingly just do not understand. It spends so much time on relationships and yet I still do not know the names of most of the characters. Hell if they get put in different uniforms or change their hair I dont even recognise some of them. I cant tell you anything about any of them. The try to show the crew bonding or some developement and is just sounds like awkward exposition. Then characters just disappear usually without comment only to reappear without comment weeks later. Reno is the best character on the show and yet I still forget her when she isnt around. I thought Linus was going to be the break out star of the show, but nope he just stands around. Sometimes.
The black officer seems to have left the ship this week, but has been replaced by another black officer? Or were there always two black guys on the show? As bad as that sounds I really dont know. Im 50ish episodes in to this show and I cant even vaguely list the main and reocurring characters with any confidence. I keep forgetting about Stammits and Culber ( i had to really strain to remember his name, at best I remember it about half the time)
If a character does get some developement they get written out. Georgiou, Tilly, Klingon boyfriend, Miriam (they literally did something with her just to get some impact out of her death), Lorca, Ghost Trill, the Enterprise crew including the one who showed up again last week and I had completely forgotten about so caused me some brief confusion.
In comparison Lower Decks has had 20 episode with a run time equivilant to 10 episodes of Discovery and I can name most everyone most of the time and decently describe several secondary characters whose names still escape me. I could give at least a few lines of bio and or back story for all of them.
Its all the more annoying because I really like the premise of this season, its putting the ship to use in a way that feels sensible and so far the central annomoly doesnt have anything to do with Burnham.
*Its going to be her Dad.*
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Post by Jim on Feb 27, 2022 21:35:43 GMT
Haven't watched a single episode this season; moving it off Netflix at the last moment and putting it on some obscure free streaming service was apparently an obstacle that my apathy toward the show couldn't surmount.
All those criticisms ring true, I've had the same problem. I guess it's because it's nominally about Michael Burnham and not an ensemble show like other Treks, but she has never once come across as particularly likable or even interesting, and I end up feeling more attached to recurring guest characters. It's reflected for me a bit in that season 3 episode which told us how quirky and different the crew is (with an awful forced banter scene) and how that's their strength, but it'd never really been the case before then. Having just been through a Voyager watchthrough it's really striking how much more naturally likable Janeway's crew is, and at the same time they come across as much more professional without that seeming like a bad thing.
If there was a shark-jumping moment for me, it was way back in season one with Lorca turning out to be from the mirror universe. A much better twist would have been to use the mirror universe but it turn out that Lorca is our Lorca and that this is what war did to him. Then have him redeem himself and keep him around, because he was immensely watchable!
To be fair, season 3 was mostly quite watchable, though the finale was a mess and I felt like the writers were trolling us by having The Burn turn out to be caused by someone crying.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 5, 2022 8:59:04 GMT
Nothing is happening!!!
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 12, 2022 9:45:57 GMT
I think the problem with the pacing is the lack of subplots. Season 4 has only one plot.
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 18, 2022 22:18:00 GMT
After a lacklustre back half of the season, I did feel the S4 finale was pretty decent.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 18, 2022 22:26:32 GMT
That's because, *FINALLY* TILLY was back. |
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 18, 2022 22:41:38 GMT
Indeed.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 8, 2022 23:01:16 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 24, 2024 0:46:13 GMT
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Feb 24, 2024 8:50:32 GMT
Looks like Iconian gateway etc. |
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 24, 2024 9:54:52 GMT
Sad the series was canned after s5 was made but curious what the 'additional material' shot to give it an ending will be. I suspect that is where Michael's voiceover comes from.
-Ralph
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Post by legios on Feb 24, 2024 13:54:53 GMT
I'm something like a year and a bit adrift from Disco (I think) due to a combination of circumstances and its move from a streaming service I have. But I am looking forward to catching up at some point this year. Strangely enough, it was Prodigy that reminded me why I like Star Trek and its various descendants - and in specific why I have liked so much of what Discovery has done.
Karl
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Post by Toph on Feb 24, 2024 17:46:00 GMT
Oddly, the idea of rewatching Discovery in chronological order with the rest of Star Trek excites me more than the thought of rewatching Discovery does on it's own
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Post by Bogatan on Mar 8, 2024 21:52:17 GMT
I rewatched seasons 1&2 last year. Mostly enjoyed them aside from all the usual issues Ive had since day 1. Just finished season 3 and its actually better than I remembered. It finally feels like its own show. Of course it still does stupid things for no particular reason. Yeah Im talking about the turbolift scenes in the final episode. Bloody hell. Its the new Klingon make up all over again, but frankly far, far more stupid. Absolutely rips me out of the story. Oh and then theres the do something sensible then undo it all for no reason thing again. Spoiler
Saru is clearly the best choice for Captain, it makes total sense when he becomes Captain, he demotes Burnham as all right thinking sentient species would do and the new equalibrium feels right. Even Tilly as number one works. And yet by the end of the season Burnham is in the chair saving the day and then is promoted to Captain at the very end after a convenient excuse is found to remove Saru.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Mar 9, 2024 6:10:04 GMT
Six episodes into the series since Phil handed me all his Blu-rays, which means I'm averaging an episode a day. I'd seen the first two episodes a long time ago but needed to rewatch to refresh the memory.
It's all right, but so far it lacks in fun. Yes, I know they're at war, but still.
I want to like the characters, but they're all a bit miserable.
Bear in mind this is on the back of my Babylon 5 rewatch, so the bar is high.
May get through a couple more today...
Martin
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Mar 9, 2024 12:09:06 GMT
Eleven minutes into episode 7 and it appears to be a remake of 'Cause and Effect'.
Martin
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 9, 2024 12:14:00 GMT
To be fair, 'Cause and Effect' wasn't exactly original itself back in the day.
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Mar 9, 2024 12:47:03 GMT
To be fair, 'Cause and Effect' wasn't exactly original itself back in the day. I hadn't seen anything like it before myself. Fair play, the Discovery variation was sufficiently different. Do I need to use spoiler tags? Has everyone here but me who is likely to see this series seen it? I was a bit by perplexed by the ending. In Mudd's personal timeline, he had murdered numerous Discovery crews, and they knew this, so why did they let him off so lightly? Martin |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 9, 2024 13:37:27 GMT
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Mar 9, 2024 14:04:40 GMT
OK, well I'll avoid the earlier posts in this thread (which I never paid any attention to) and hope you'll all be considerate of me as I work my way through it over the next month or so.
Martin
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Post by legios on Mar 9, 2024 14:54:21 GMT
I was a bit by perplexed by the ending. In Mudd's personal timeline, he had murdered numerous Discovery crews, and they knew this, so why did they let him off so lightly? Martin I think from their point of view it is hard for them to see that as "real", in a sense. They can be told that Mudd has murdered them many times over, but from their point of view they have no sense of those events ever actually occurring - if they don't remember it ever happening then from their point of view did it actually happen? This gets into all sorts of rarified ground about what is "objective" reality, if such a thing actually exists outside of our own perceptions of it, if you follow it down into the unknown depths... I think the logic is intended to be that Mudd did all those things in "timelines that didn't happen". The "well if that had happened then I would be dead, but fortunately it unhappened and therefore I didn't die" perspective. Now, of course from Mudd's point of view they certainly did happen as he recalls killing multiple versions of the Discovery crew. But on whose reality is the decision on punishment to be based - Mudd's, the crews, or something else? Karl |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Mar 9, 2024 15:15:18 GMT
If they had put him on trial, I suppose his defence for most of the murders could be that when he committed them he knew he was going to reset the timeline and so undo them. However, that doesn't hold for his final killing of Tyler, because he had no intention of undoing that one. So he should be guilty of attempted murder on that particular count.
Martin
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 9, 2024 19:14:29 GMT
Grand Moff Muffin: Discovery Season 1, 15 episodes: Chapter One The Vulcan Hello 24/09/2017 Battle at the Binary Stars 24/09/2017 Context Is for Kings 01/10/2017 The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry 08/10/2017 Choose Your Pain 15/10/2017 Lethe 22/10/2017 Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad 29/10/2017 Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum 05/11/2017 Into the Forest I Go 12/11/2017 Chapter Two Despite Yourself 07/01/2018 The Wolf Inside 14/01/2018 Vaulting Ambition 21/01/2018 What's Past Is Prologue 28/01/2018 The War Without, The War Within 04/02/2018 Will You Take My Hand? 11/02/2018 Short Trips Season 1 Runaway 04/10/2018 (2257) Calypso 08/11/2018 (Far future ) The Brightest Star 06/12/2018 (2239) The Escape Artist 03/01/2019 (2250s ) Discovery Season 2, 14 episodes: Brother 17/01/2019 New Eden 24/01/2019 Point of Light 31/01/2019 An Obol for Charon 07/02/2019 Saints of Imperfection 14/02/2019 The Sound of Thunder 21/02/2019 Light and Shadows 28/02/2019 If Memory Serves 07/03/2019 Project Daedalus 14/03/2019 The Red Angel 21/03/2019 Perpetual Infinity 28/03/2019 Through the Valley of Shadows 04/04/2019 Such Sweet Sorrow 11/04/2019 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 18/04/2019 Short Trips Season 2 Q&A 05/10/2019 (2253) The Trouble with Edward 09/10/2019 (2250s (1421.9) ) Ask Not 14/11/2019 (2250s ) Ephraim and Dot 12/12/2019 (2267–2285 ) The Girl Who Made the Stars 12/12/2019 (2230s ) Children of Mars 09/01/2020 (2385)
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