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Post by blueshift on Aug 29, 2016 17:49:30 GMT
Oh yes, I'm an idiot, ignore me
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 30, 2016 12:21:52 GMT
Listening to Fuller there...if they're still breaking stories and are still at casting stage...it's very ambitious for them planning to make a January debut!
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 15, 2016 7:02:20 GMT
Listening to Fuller there...if they're still breaking stories and are still at casting stage...it's very ambitious for them planning to make a January debut! -Ralph Not a surprise. Fine by me. I'd rather the time was taken to get it right. There hasn't been a new Trek TV ep since 2005. I can easily wait a few more months! -Ralph |
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 15, 2016 16:42:09 GMT
I think I need to stop reading ST boards. They used to be harmless places with folk enjoying their hobby but any chat about Discovery seems to involve so much hate and bile it's toxic to read. I shall stay here for ST chat!
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Sept 15, 2016 16:59:37 GMT
Discovery will be toxic to the Star Trek brand. I hate how Trek is being taken back from the fans - who are it's true defenders.
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Post by blueshift on Sept 15, 2016 17:06:22 GMT
I think there's a very legitimate concern though about Trek is being handled. I mean, look at what's been done for the 50th anniversary!
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 15, 2016 21:33:05 GMT
What exactly is the very legitimate concern?
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 15, 2016 21:35:32 GMT
Discovery will be toxic to the Star Trek brand. I hate how Trek is being taken back from the fans - who are it's true defenders. How dare a new Trek show be made 12 years after the last one. I demand it just be something made only for a relatively small fanbase. I don't want it to be popular or relevant to general culture again. I don't want new people to be brought into my hobby via a new thing. *sarcasm* -Ralph |
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Post by Toph on Sept 15, 2016 21:38:31 GMT
What exactly is the very legitimate concern? -Ralph Only thing I can think of is they did literally nothing. |
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Post by Toph on Sept 15, 2016 21:39:57 GMT
And my only complaint about Discovery is the ship design.
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 15, 2016 21:45:47 GMT
And my only complaint about Discovery is the ship design. Fuller has been quite open about how what was in the promo video was a 'work in progress' and has specifically mentioned the nacelles have changed since then. We shall see what the finished ship design is like. I think it needs to be seen in context anyway. Personally, I quite like the general idea and feel of it. I think it needs some tweaking (which seems to be going on anyway). It's a tricky design to get right. It has to not feel too much like an Enterprise ship while still feeling Star Treky, of Starfleet lineage and yet with a character of its own. Folk are still arguing about Voyager's design 20 years later so it's a tough nut to crack. With that ship, I think it looked great from some angles, not so good from others, but I think for me it always looked better in the show than it did in pictures. -Ralph |
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 15, 2016 21:50:53 GMT
What exactly is the very legitimate concern? -Ralph Only thing I can think of is they did literally nothing. The 50th anniversary aspect seemed to be lacking in the advertising for Beyond. Pocket Books are doing two novel trilogies (one in the 23rd century, one in the 24th). IDW had a 2-part story in their comics. That seems to have been pretty much it. I wonder if it's down to bits of Star Trek being owned by two different companies (CBS and Paramount)? Compared to Bond and Doctor Who when they had their 50th there wasn't much of a push on it. I doubt anyone outside of the hardcore fanbase was even aware. Heck, BBC News mentioned the recent 50th Anniversary of The Prisoner: I didn't see anything about Trek. Over in the UK, we have a small exhibition in Blackpool to celebrate it but literally zero merchandise. Oh well! Bit of a shame but at least a movie came out and a new show is in pre-production. -Ralph |
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Post by Toph on Sept 15, 2016 22:25:44 GMT
Well in all honesty, the new show may or may not have come about due to the anniversary, but the movie is independent of that. It would have happened with or without the anniversary, so unlike the Doctor Who 50th Anniversary special, I don't think Beyond counts at all.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Sept 16, 2016 6:30:45 GMT
A number of media outlets ran a series of articles on the actual 50th anniversary as did a few scientific journals (including Nature). Public awareness of it was there.
I think the large scale apparent 'absence' of 50th stuff is a combination of Trek being out of mainstream public concern and as Ralph says the rights being confusingly split two way.
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Post by legios on Sept 16, 2016 8:26:52 GMT
And my only complaint about Discovery is the ship design. Fuller has been quite open about how what was in the promo video was a 'work in progress' and has specifically mentioned the nacelles have changed since then. We shall see what the finished ship design is like. I think it needs to be seen in context anyway. Personally, I quite like the general idea and feel of it. I think it needs some tweaking (which seems to be going on anyway). It's a tricky design to get right. It has to not feel too much like an Enterprise ship while still feeling Star Treky, of Starfleet lineage and yet with a character of its own. Folk are still arguing about Voyager's design 20 years later so it's a tough nut to crack. With that ship, I think it looked great from some angles, not so good from others, but I think for me it always looked better in the show than it did in pictures. -Ralph Indeed - we've not seen a final render on it, and we've certainly not seen it properly framed, lit and in story context. All of these things will make a huge difference to how it actually looks in practice. We just don't have enough to go on yet to see how it is going to work. I was one of the people who initially reacted to the design of Voyager as "um...not sure at all..." but like the Enterprise D she has some angles from which she looks fantastic, some angles from which she looks awful, and some where there are particular features I like or don't like. I suspect that Discovery will be the same. I will admit to disappointment that they are going backwards, and with the PR folk doing the hyping of it as "filing in a gap in history". I'd rather see them just do another TNG style jump ahead to avoid being bogged down in "canon" but still allow them to play with all the toys in the box. In the end it will come down to whether they tell good stories and whether the general audience is interested in watching them - that is far more important than "telling the story of after Captain Archer and before Captain Kirk". Karl |
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Post by Toph on Sept 16, 2016 10:42:48 GMT
Honestly, the only "gap" in history where a series would fit, would be the adventures of the Excelsior, or the Enterprise-B.
I think there's some fun stuff that COULD be done in TOS era, but I have way more concerns, such as running into several of the same problems Enterprise did. Quite a bit of them aesthetic. TOS was extremely sixties. Painfully sixties.
The ships actually spruce up pretty well with more modern effects, but the interiors, clothing, and general fashion just don't really work.
Enterprise and it's contemporaries ended up feeling like they belonged in the TNG movie era, over pre-federation.
The NX looked like the love child of the Akira. The Romulan BoP looked like it should be giving the Dominion a hard time.
The uniforms do look like a logical evolution of NASA jumpsuits, but they also don't jive with TOS.
My biggest concern isn't so much as mucking with canon, as it is the series looking either very out of place in it's setting, or it adheres to TOS aesthetic, and tanks because too many general viewers thinks it's too cheesy.
As for the discovery's design itself, with everyone telling me "wait and see, they're not finished yet," I've been familier with this general shape for decades now, as one of the rejected concepts of the Enterprise, and I've hated it all that time. I don't like the shape of it. They can change all the minor details they want like nacell design, and it won't change the things I don't like about it.
They literally took the one and only Enterprise concept that I can't stand. (I for one would have LOVED to see a ring ship. Though that'd have been a much better NX)
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 27, 2016 21:39:10 GMT
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Post by Toph on Oct 27, 2016 21:51:31 GMT
Okay, like why the hell did he need to drag Riker in order to promote two new actors?
What did that comment achieve except to show he has no understanding of TNG?
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Oct 28, 2016 7:14:54 GMT
They're not new actors, but production staff.
It doesn't sound good at this late stage. Basically he has been unable to deliver the goods on a believable schedule (for whatever reason) and they want the goods rolled out with no more delay so he has more or less been dismissed from the project.
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Post by blueshift on Oct 28, 2016 7:15:55 GMT
An air date of Jan for a show that hadn't started production in Sept was insane. And now this. I... hmmm
Not having good vibes, but then again from chaos has come some of my favourite shows
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Oct 28, 2016 7:40:38 GMT
Air date has been pushed back to May for a few months now.
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 28, 2016 7:56:07 GMT
Indeed that would now appear to have been accommodation for Fuller and now patience has been lost and the studio wants their product without further delay.
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Oct 28, 2016 8:02:27 GMT
*Riker gurn*
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 28, 2016 8:04:10 GMT
*steps over seat*
-Ralph
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Post by blueshift on Oct 28, 2016 8:37:48 GMT
Oh yes, I knew the date had been pushed back, I meant that the very idea that you could get a complex, post-production heavy show like Star Trek ready for a Jan airing when in September the show hadn't even been fully crash/scripts written is absolutely bananas and points to a bigger problem!
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 28, 2016 12:14:58 GMT
As has also happened recently with the Globe Threater sometimes it is not clear if the person put in charge is a good fit for the role until a few months down the line. Corrective measures are sometimes required. Whether problems show up in a way obvious to audiences is a seperate issue.
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Nov 23, 2016 11:19:31 GMT
Rumours abound that Michelle Yeoh has been cast for Star Trek: Discovery.
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 23, 2016 12:49:42 GMT
I hope the rumour is true though it's currently based on only one brief out of context quote.
-Ralph
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Post by legios on Nov 23, 2016 14:57:55 GMT
I'd like to believe it is true. She would be a good addition to the cast if they have managed to land her. I am currently crossing my fingers and hoping for reliable second source confirmation.
Karl
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Post by Toph on Nov 23, 2016 18:45:42 GMT
Oh please oh please oh PLEASE BE TRUE!
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