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Post by Fortmax2020 on Nov 29, 2016 18:52:17 GMT
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Post by Bogatan on Nov 29, 2016 18:56:23 GMT
Progress.
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Post by Toph on Nov 29, 2016 19:31:13 GMT
I was hoping Michelle Yeoh would be the discovery's captain, but this is better than nothing
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Nov 29, 2016 21:21:36 GMT
She is the Captain. All is well. Looks like a good line up so far.
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 29, 2016 21:25:37 GMT
She is a Captain of another ship, not the Discovery. We shall see how central a role that is when the show launches!
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Nov 29, 2016 21:31:44 GMT
Ah, hadn't picked up on that. Could be interesting!
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Post by legios on Nov 30, 2016 16:43:29 GMT
Indeed - and even if she had been the Captain of the Discovery, that would only have made her a supporting role anyways. Remember, the lead for this show is intended to be a mid-ranked officer by all accounts so far - so the casting for this show may be a bit different to that which we have seen before.
Karl
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 4, 2016 21:40:48 GMT
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Post by Toph on Dec 4, 2016 22:44:53 GMT
Given that it's been dead in the water since it was announced with no script, and no cast, and the man couldn't even promote an executive producer without dragging a prominent and beloved TNG character, all while having a premier date of january while having had the better part of A YEAR to work with, yeah. I sure felt he was the "driving force."
Good riddens to the one guy who made me actually feel Berman and Bragga were actually competent.
Say what you will about Enterprise, but at least that actually got off the ground.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Dec 4, 2016 22:50:22 GMT
You might want to save your scorn till the show actually airs.
Also, I dare say there is probably a lot of details behind the scenes that we are not privy to and will come out in the years to come.
There was not one chance of them making that air date they first announced given the type of show they were wanting to do. Somebody in CBS will end up falling on their sword for that one. Nowt to do with Fuller. Though I do question the wisdom of tapping him up before American Gods was done and dusted. Again, somebody in CBS will take some heat for that.
As for Berman and Braga being confident - well given that they presided over the era of Trek on TV when it was at it's finest, you might not like their work but I think it's fair to say they were competent.
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Post by Toph on Dec 4, 2016 23:43:55 GMT
Well, at the pace he was going, there would be no show under Fuller. It didn't actually start moving until he actually stepped down, and since then things seem to be running now. I'm not going to *ever* play a What If? game like that.
If he was any good for this project, then they would actually have had more than a title, a ship design, and three actors by now, with the original scheduled premier date being a few months away.
As for Berman and Braga, Enterprise was the only thing they did on their own. TNG was Roddenberry, until Berman took over halfway through. DS9 and Voyager had Michael Piller and Jeri Taylor (Taylor was even showrunner for TNG) behind them. And by all backstage accounts and interviews, Berman and Braga made things pretty toxic on Voyager which prompted Taylor to leave.
Another account comes from J. Michael Straczynski, who Paramount hired to create a new series after Voyager ended. According to him Berman and Braga were pretty hostile, and and eventually stole several of the concepts he had, for Enterprise.
But hey, at least they actually managed to get Enterprise off the ground, which Fuller didn't even get his series to script. So yeah, my opinion of them is dirt, but at least I acknowledge they are competent enough to launch a series.
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 5, 2016 8:11:17 GMT
Let's not make nasty comments about someone we don't know, please.
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Dec 5, 2016 8:33:09 GMT
Let's not portray some as saints and others as villains here. From what I've read many people involved over the years have been a bit of both in varying measures at different times.
Roddenberry and his lawyer for example seem to have been bought on board TNG as a legal nod and a honouring of fan demands at the time but against the studios better judgement. And in the end they arguably created more than their fair share of set tensions and misdirections.
Given it has taken almost 30 years for that to come out fully we are in no position to judge anyone on Discovery yet.
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 12, 2016 19:07:36 GMT
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Post by Toph on Dec 15, 2016 0:34:17 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 15, 2016 9:27:48 GMT
I'll wait for a press release. If true, I approve of Star Trek casting a black female actor in the lead, especially in the times we now live in.
-Ralph
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Post by Toph on Dec 19, 2016 22:42:17 GMT
I was thinking. And while I'm of the mindset Star Trek should move forwards, and not backwards, I was thinking that there is one benefit to Discovery being set in TOS era.
That is that they can do and say here things that Roddenberry and his writers wanted to, but couldn't.
The fact that the lead character is a black woman, and one of the main characters is LGBT, speaks volumes.
As revolutionary as TOS was (A japanese man and a russian, two former "enemies" are two of our Hero's most trusted friends), and Nichelle Nichols. And tons of women and people of color populating the tertiary and background characters), Discovery has the opportunity to go and make TOS era as vivid and diverse as TNG era.
And that's also including ships and aliens.
I wonder how they're going to handle Klingons. Enterprise kinda bungled it, and made a mess of things Discovery will have to deal with.
Until Enterprise, I always reasoned that TOS klingons were klingons. They just weren't Klingons. The Klingon empire spans multiple worlds, and they were even shown IN THE SHOW to subjugate alien races and absorb them into their empire.
Simplest in-universe explination for the human-looking Klingons is that they are aliens from conquered worlds who are now Klingon, and do things the Klingon way.
Then, in the movies and TNG, when SFX makeup has become better and more practical, we're starting to see the true Klingons.
And maybe after nearly a hundred years of peace with the federation, the Klingon Empire no longer mandates non-klingons to serve as warriors. So we've stopped seeing non-Klingon klingons.
I always liked this explanation as it makes the Klingon Empire feel more like a real empire, and not so one dimensional. I mean, the Romans generally worked with the peoples they subjugated. Non-Romans from conquered lands joined the Roman Army and fought for, and with them.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Dec 20, 2016 1:08:09 GMT
Wasn't Wasn't the original explanation that the TOS Klingons were just surgically altered to look more human?
Off course the whole thing doesn't need an explanation in show at all really.
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Post by legios on Dec 21, 2016 18:38:06 GMT
Wasn't Wasn't the original explanation that the TOS Klingons were just surgically altered to look more human? Secondary canon as far as I know. It was something that (iirc) was created by FASA for the roleplaying game, and filtered back into secondary canon more broadly from there (possibly via the discussions that Ford had with the writers of FASA's Klingon sourcebook whilst he was working on "How Much for Just the Planet?". The FASA explanation is in fact that they were an engineered sub-group - rather than being altered surgically after birth their DNA was altered in-utero to insert human DNA sequences in order to make them resemble humans more closely, allowing them to be used for espionage etc. They were refered to as "Fusion"-Klingon's as opposed to the racially-pure "Imperial" line, and were second-class citizens who weren't allowed in the inner regions of the Empire and were effectively exiled to the Klingon-Federation border, the Triangle, and other outer regions of the Empire. (The Klingon's sourcebook is fantastic - it kind of leans on a mix of Qin-era China, early Soviet Russia and Machieavelli for its inspirations rather than the "Vikings who talk like Samurai" pastiche of later spin-offs. It even actually manages to make the "Klingons promote by assassination" trope make actual sense - it isn't "if you kill someone you get their job", it is "if a leader is so ineffectual and unpleasant that he loses the respect of his underlings then no-one is going to prosecute you for despatching his unfit behind", coupled with a slice of "the penalty for disloyalty to the Empire is death, and not acting to prevent disloyalty that you are aware of is also disloyal".) Indeed. Special effects technology had become more advanced, so there is no reason not to assume that if we were "in-universe" we wouldn't have seen Klingons as looking more like there Motion Picture selves in "Day of the Dove" for example. It isn't a thing that needs explaining any more than one needs a convoluted explanation for why Romulans have cloaking devices and no-one else does - "Balance of Terror" is an "Enemy Below" pastiche, so _someone_ had to have invented a space-submarine suffices as an explanation. Karl |
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 18, 2017 19:08:33 GMT
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Post by blueshift on Jan 18, 2017 19:15:05 GMT
Oh no Prequelitis already  |
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Post by blueshift on Jan 18, 2017 19:23:33 GMT
WAIT, what if this means SYBOK is in it!
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 18, 2017 20:13:21 GMT
That actually seems like really good casting. I mean it would probably have made sense to rehire the guy from the 2009 movie, but Frain might be better.
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 18, 2017 21:13:55 GMT
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 18, 2017 21:14:13 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 18, 2017 21:14:29 GMT
WAIT, what if this means SYBOK is in it! If such a thing was to happen it would be the greatest TV show ever made. -Ralph |
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 18, 2017 21:14:45 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 18, 2017 21:15:37 GMT
That actually seems like really good casting. I mean it would probably have made sense to rehire the guy from the 2009 movie, but Frain might be better. They couldn't hire the 2009 guy as that was a Sarek from another timeline! -Ralph |
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 18, 2017 21:15:48 GMT
 Im tryin to follow Phils "anti quote" rules. Its not working
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Post by blueshift on Mar 3, 2017 19:22:05 GMT
Apparently the premier of Discovery has been pushed back to Sept from May!
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