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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 8, 2024 7:34:01 GMT
New Year Convoy wins!  |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 8, 2024 7:35:35 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 8, 2024 8:09:19 GMT
Now, I made some errors with these two releases. In that I didn’t get either of them. This is likely to be a common error for many of us over the next few weeks. Regret will be our companion followed by shock and horror when we realise how much they are now! Told you. |
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Post by Benn on Nov 8, 2024 9:42:53 GMT
Ooh, can I call 'illegal poll'?
Because (According to the wiki) these were never available separately?
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 8, 2024 9:56:23 GMT
They're in individual boxes
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 8, 2024 10:18:03 GMT
This is likely to be a common error for many of us over the next few weeks. Regret will be our companion followed by shock and horror when we realise how much they are now! Told you. I have no regrets. These were unobtainable for me at the time anyway. -Ralph |
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 8, 2024 10:19:41 GMT
Ooh, can I call 'illegal poll'? Because (According to the wiki) these were never available separately? Correct! As there was literally NO OPTION for customers to choose to purchase one over the other this is an ILLEGAL POLL. It's a 2-pack. Individual boxes make no difference. -Ralph |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 8, 2024 11:57:25 GMT
I am not 100% sure the wiki is correct here.
I can recall them being individually available here through dealers.
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 8, 2024 12:47:59 GMT
It's not uncommon for dealers to split packs. We have seen that for recent 4-packs, Dramatic Capture, etc.
If the original release was sold as one single unit, then it was intended to be a 2-pack.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 8, 2024 13:37:48 GMT
A 2pack is in the same packaging. These are not. These can be sold individually without the other being noticeably missing
This may well be a unique situation (E-Hobby cars? 2019 Optimus Cab & SS36 Voyager in g1 colours are the only possibles that spring to mind - but as I said elsewhere the head is poor today) but to my mind, as the setter of the poll, these are separate toys
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Nov 8, 2024 18:23:02 GMT
They could be sold separately, but were they officially? Doesn't seem so.
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Post by legios on Nov 8, 2024 18:37:45 GMT
A 2pack is in the same packaging. These are not. These can be sold individually without the other being noticeably missing Yes they can, but were not. Secondary market sellers may well have split them up and separately, but as originally sold they were only available as a single purchase. So, it is possible to say that one the basis that one could not be bought without the other, unless from someone who had already bought them and was selling them on then they are a single item. On the other hand this gets into the definition of what is a separate toy. Is God Fire Convoy a single toy, as it was available to be purchased in a single box containing the two component toys - so you couldn't buy one without the other. But they are two distinct physical objects sold in a single purchase. But Fire Convoy and God Magnus were also sold in separate boxes, where it was entirely possible to buy one without the other. So is God Fire Convoy a single toy? Or is it two separate toys? Or is it a single toy when they are sold together in one box, and two toys when sold separately? This gets into the definition aspect of any classification system, and the need to have rules for how this decision is going to be made in order that people come to the same conclusion. (This is not just whistling in the breeze, it is a practical issue in my field of work. Are anthologies of plays by a given author to be treated as a single work and catalogued once, or are they several distinct works that happen to occupy the same publication and to be catalogued individually as separate works. This is a grey are where the rules are not universally understood as far as ebook versions of this are concerned, which can cause some unexpected issues and effects in terms of search and acccess to materials). TRU value packs comprised two separately packaged toys in over-packaging that joined those packages together, so they would be a similar case. Karl |
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 8, 2024 19:02:02 GMT
Exactly.
Philosophy also has much to say of categorisations. A fun part of my second degree.
One way to resolve the issue would be to say: if you had the opportunity to choose between these two items (originally sold together), which would you prefer?
-Ralph
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Post by Bogatan on Nov 8, 2024 19:05:41 GMT
TRU value packs comprised two separately packaged toys in over-packaging that joined those packages together, so they would be a similar case. Karl But they had a physical link deliberately added to them. In this case its two completely independent toys that a retailer has chosen to sell together. Arguably this is closer to Kapow refusing to sell a wave of toys individually because they know nobody wants one of the wave and they will be left with vast quantities of it. The obvious differences being a; I doubt either of these wouldnt have sold and more relevantly b; Ehobby were the only retailer stocking these. |
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 8, 2024 19:19:12 GMT
What was the maker's intent? Were they intended to be sold together or was this a decision made by a retailer.
-Ralph
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Post by that_bluestreak on Nov 8, 2024 19:32:54 GMT
it would have been a great two pack, i wish i had been able to get one. the black is clearly the best from here, but up close, who can say.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 9, 2024 0:05:10 GMT
What was the maker's intent? Were they intended to be sold together or was this a decision made by a retailer. -Ralph It's a good question. I'd say they were intended to be sold separately, hence the different boxes, but eHobby chose to only sell them together. I've just noticed they have different ID Numbers to each other and Hot Rodimus: C-78B Black Rodimus C-78C Crystal Rodimus |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 9, 2024 0:10:08 GMT
I am somewhat amused that this week we're making a fuss about two toys in different boxes when a few weeks ago we had two poll options that were only available in the same box and nobody said a word! I leave identifying them as an exercise for the reader....
In my defence there I had forgotten that they were in the same box at the time!
There is another case of different boxes sent out together following in a few weeks.
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Post by Llama God on Nov 9, 2024 9:47:38 GMT
New Year Convoy wins! Bah! That wasn’t the result I wanted, it turns out! Not that I voted mind you, because I didn’t think it would make a difference. But now I’m really not happy with the outcome. This definitely isn’t a reflection of anything happening in the real world. Definitely not. |
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Post by legios on Nov 9, 2024 12:30:40 GMT
Exactly. Philosophy also has much to say of categorisations. A fun part of my second degree. Yep - one of the rare cases where my own educational background (generally more practical and empirical than theoretically oriented) crosses over into the same terrain as philosophy. (The other main one is ethics - which, believe me, is a larger part of librarianship than you might initially think). Yep, that sidesteps the whole categorical question entirely by means of reframing. Karl |
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Post by legios on Nov 9, 2024 12:32:51 GMT
I am somewhat amused that this week we're making a fuss about two toys in different boxes when a few weeks ago we had two poll options that were only available in the same box and nobody said a word! From my point of view it isn't so much a fuss, it is more that someone raised an interesting philosophical point (in a slightly comedic way perhaps) that I thought worthy of further consideration. It sheds some interesting light on the underworkings of the way we think about things - something I do find of a certain amount of fascination. Karl |
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 9, 2024 12:44:11 GMT
What was the maker's intent? Were they intended to be sold together or was this a decision made by a retailer. -Ralph It's a good question. I'd say they were intended to be sold separately, hence the different boxes, but eHobby chose to only sell them together. I've just noticed they have different ID Numbers to each other and Hot Rodimus: C-78B Black Rodimus C-78C Crystal Rodimus But do we know if Ehobby *choose* to sell them as a two-pack or was this intended by Takara? That's the key question here. -Ralph |
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Post by Shockprowl on Nov 12, 2024 22:57:31 GMT
I picked the wrong time to check in on this thread!
A poll about Hotrod who got Prime dead!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 12, 2024 23:42:37 GMT
So which Hot Rod do you choose?
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Post by legios on Nov 13, 2024 19:19:40 GMT
I'm going to admit to abstaining on this one. They are both...fine... but there really isn't much to separate one from another. One is in clear coloured plastic, as seems so common for japanese exclusive things in my experience (seriously - Gundam Base Toyko seems to get multiple exclusive clear colour kits a year, every year). The other is Hot Rod in black and grey instead of red and yellow.
They are both fine, but neither of them look particularly much better than the original, or than each other. So I'm kind of "eh" on this one.
Karl
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 13, 2024 19:44:43 GMT
To think, it would be another 20-ish years before we got a proper Pink Rod.
-Ralph
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Post by Shockprowl on Nov 13, 2024 23:04:53 GMT
So which Hot Rod do you choose? Neither, Big Phil, obviously A Time Machine I built diligently Into the past I now will travel And the movie rewritten, it will unravel No more hideous futuristic shite No more shallow, callous blight The plot will feature the original heroes So nothing for you dead-loving weirdos |
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Post by Bogatan on Nov 14, 2024 0:19:02 GMT
I'm a fan of translucent transformers for all the sorrow they cause
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 14, 2024 8:35:17 GMT
Finishes tomorrow.
This coming week's poll is fueled in the khazi...
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 14, 2024 9:03:16 GMT
I like Black Rodimus, but the unchanged stickers mark it down. They just don't work and later black Hot Rods do it much better with grey flame stickers |
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