Bumblebee

[Shockprowl]

Sept 28, 2021 17:18:06 GMT Grand Moff Muffin said:

Play Mrs Shockprowl this:



Martin

She remains unconvinced.



I have high hopes though!

[Shockprowl]

Well, pizzas are in the oven. Angry Mrs Shocks is reading bedtime story to the little'un. Won't be long now.

[Shockprowl]

Alright.



Here we go.

[Shockprowl]

Oh nice opening!!!


Ratchet, Wheeljack

[Shockprowl]

AHHH THIS HOW IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN!!!?!

[Shockprowl]

SOUNDWAVE'S VOICE!


SHOCKWAVE'S VOICE!!!!!

[Shockprowl]

Loads of Strike Planes. No Prowl though still.


Nice. Nice opening!

[Shockprowl]

Ok. I'm being told in no uncertain terms that I can't message you people and watch the film at the same time. So see you on the flip side guys! So far, so good.

[The Doctor]

Mrs Ralph liked it.

-Ralph

[Philip Ayres]

RIP Shockprowl

[The Doctor]

Sept 28, 2021 18:17:17 GMT Shockprowl said:

Sept 28, 2021 17:18:06 GMT Grand Moff Muffin said:

Play Mrs Shockprowl this:



Martin

She remains unconvinced.



I have high hopes though!

"We have deployed a solar sail!"

-Ralph

[Pinwig]

Sept 28, 2021 12:04:44 GMT Shockprowl said:

Mrs Shocks not happy. I've said we need to watch it tonight. Not happy. Kicking off.

Really? Don't you ever get a choice in what to watch? No wonder you have to smuggle toys into the house in plain brown envelopes.

[Toph]

The waiting is suspenseful!

[Shockprowl]

Alright.



I.......







LIKED IT!



THAT is how to make a Transformers film, Michael Bay you nobhead.


None of that awful grotesque loutiness. No racism, sexism, ultra-brutality.


I see where Doc' is coming from, not much happens really. But generally speaking it's good honest fun.






.....ruined by ONE SCENE.






The bizzar and brutal execution of Cliffjumper.


It was like Michael Bay took control of the Director's chair again for one scene. Completely unnecessary, random, meaningless and gratuitous. It did nothing for the plot. They where near Saturn when they detected the signal, they could have been anywhere and detected the signal. It established them as bad guys, landing on earth looking menacing could have done that. Pointless and brutal. Didn't need it. Spoilt the film. My youngest could see this film if it weren't for that one scene. It didn't need the few humans who were gloopped either, that crossed an unfortunate line as well. This isn't what kids like these days.


But it was an improvement. A massive step in the right direction.


I had no idea who the two main bad-guy Decepticons were, it was still very human-centric but they were watchable humans so it wasn't too bad, and I really don't like how Bumblebee CANNOT TALK (maybe he looses his memory or something...?).


But anyway. It was alright.



"Ravage: Eject!" Awwww mamma, beautiful. More of that.

[Shockprowl]

That opening scene was... superb. Goosebumpy. Proper Transformers, that.

[Toph]

The decepticons are Shatter and Dropkick. They're new(ish*).

*Dropkick may or may not have been inspired by a toy-only Movie 1 character of the same name and colorscheme.
At the very least, it's a name reuse.
He's one of the better toys across the movie lines

[Toph]

And Bumblebee can't talk because Blitzwing speared him through the throat, and he has no ability to repair himself.

[Grand Moff Muffin]

Sept 28, 2021 23:46:23 GMT Shockprowl said:

I really don't like how Bumblebee CANNOT TALK (maybe he looses his memory or something...?).

"Tell me where your friends are hiding!"

"I'll never talk."

"Is that right? Then let's make it official."



I think him losing his voice and memory was important, because it made him both more alien and more dependent on Charlie, and able to spend time getting to know her and wasting time rather than get on with the mission Prime gave him. It also made getting acquainted with Charlie more of a visual thing rather than just talking to each other like the Decepticons talking to the military - contrasting the two situations.

As for Cliffjumper, I recall he was introduced only to die straight away in the first episode of the Transformers Prime cartoon series, so maybe the Bumblebee writers picked up on that and thought that in TFs he was always supposed to be a guy you introduced to kill off straight away? I do agree it was a shame, but it served a purpose of making the bad guys a genuine threat to Bumblebee.

Martin

[Shockprowl]

Dropkick and Shatter, huh?


Yes I get why he couldn't talk, and why he physically couldn't talk, and the fact he couldn't talk achieves everything you describe, Martin. I just wish there was another way. I'm fed up with Bumblebee not talking! It's become a thing. Loosing his memory only maybe would have achieved it... maybe.


I didn't need the random slicing in half of Cliffjumper to communicate that they're bad guys. It's random and overtly brutal and lifts right out of the entire film. That and humans getting killed in what felt a throwaway comedic way. Gloop. Not necessary! Fundamentally alters a film.


It has promise though! If this is the new direction. Gosh that opening scene made me let out a little sex wee.

[Shockprowl]

Sept 28, 2021 20:23:14 GMT Pinwig said:

Sept 28, 2021 12:04:44 GMT Shockprowl said:

Mrs Shocks not happy. I've said we need to watch it tonight. Not happy. Kicking off.

Really? Don't you ever get a choice in what to watch? No wonder you have to smuggle toys into the house in plain brown envelopes.

She tolerates Star Wars/Trek better, Marvel and DC sometimes .

[Benn]

Good to know, I guess?

[Shockprowl]

It was just a little sex wee. Not a full sex wee.

[Philip Ayres]

Sept 28, 2021 12:04:44 GMT Shockprowl said:

Sept 28, 2021 6:24:59 GMT Benn said:

I'm glad I didn't miss him watching Bumblebee though.

Mrs Shocks not happy. I've said we need to watch it tonight. Not happy. Kicking off.

If you will schedule it on Bakeoff night.

She'll be instructing the lawyers today, mark my words....

[The Doctor]

How does Shockers rate the films now, from best to worst?

-Ralph

[Shockprowl]

Sept 29, 2021 7:52:10 GMT The Doctor said:

How does Shockers rate the films now, from best to worst?

-Ralph

Holy Toledo, Doc', that a bit of a hard ask considering I dislike most of them and haven't seen some of them.

Bumblebee is by far the best live action one, despite its faults.

The first one Bay did is marginally less horrifically shit than the others. I've no idea which of those I haven't seen.

So....


1. Bumblebee


---A COUNTRY MILE----


2. Transformers: The Movie 198whatever, by default ONLY

3. The first Bay one

4. All the others



Suck my balls, it's all a bit shit isn't it?! This is our movieness as Transformers fans?! THIS IS IT?!?!

[The Doctor]

I personally put Bumblebee at the bottom by a country mile.

None of them are really any good though other then TF:TM and the Beast Wars II movie.

-Ralph

[Shockprowl]

Hmmm, well, we'll have to agree to disagree on TF:TM, Doctor.


And on the fact Bumblebee is the worst live-action movie! I just can't stand the Bay-vibe if the others. It's unpleasant. Bumblebee didn't have the Bay-vibe, instant front-runner.


But as I say, there's not much competition.


I didn't know there was a Beast Wars movie.

[The Doctor]

Then Shockprowl's next mission is to watch the BWII movie!

-Ralph

[Benn]

I have not seen that.

[The Doctor]

Then Uzardoz's next mission is to watch the BWII movie!

-Ralph