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Post by The Doctor on Jul 14, 2018 9:16:14 GMT
Same horrid design aesthetic as the last 5 films. Everything about this film so far screams 'more of the same'. I just can't get excited for it at all.
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 22, 2018 9:38:16 GMT
I am informed that the plane chap is Blitzwing and not Starscream after all.
-Ralph
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Post by The Huff on Jul 22, 2018 9:47:11 GMT
Yes, I heard this too. I just cannot understand the logic behind this at all. This was one of the biggest highlights of the trailer. Also worse is that the other two Decepticons are Triple Changers and this Blitzwing 'probably isn't'.
Very disappointed and hugely confused.
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Jul 22, 2018 11:55:33 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 22, 2018 11:55:33 GMT
I don't recall it ever being stated in publicity or trailers that Starscream was in this film.
-Ralph
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Jul 22, 2018 12:16:17 GMT
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jul 22, 2018 12:16:17 GMT
It was never claimed to be Starscream by anyone but some fans based on it being a plane with some touches of red on it.
I have seen some pretty OTT frantic reactions online from some fans raging at Hasblow for betraying them (yet again!!).
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Post by Benn on Jul 22, 2018 15:35:13 GMT
He was Ramjet for a while too, wasn't he?
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Jul 22, 2018 15:56:43 GMT
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Post by Toph on Jul 22, 2018 15:56:43 GMT
Yes he was.
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Bumblebee
Jul 22, 2018 17:02:41 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 22, 2018 17:02:41 GMT
He...he was???
All I saw in the trailer was a robot plane thing.
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jul 22, 2018 17:23:57 GMT
And I.
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Post by Bogatan on Jul 22, 2018 17:37:25 GMT
I am informed that the plane chap is Blitzwing and not Starscream after all. -Ralph If you assume there is any effort being made to represent a G1 character then there is a bit of a Blitzwing vibe to it I suppose. |
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Post by legios on Jul 22, 2018 19:00:06 GMT
Indeed, Starscream was never mentioned by any source in a position to know as being in the film but for some reason the fan community assumed that he was on grounds I'm unclear on. I think the fact that no-one actually corrected the mis-apprehension for this long has unfortunately led to some confusion and a, perhaps, more pronounced reaction than might have been expected.
It actually makes a fair bit of sense for it to be Blitzwing I think. The F-4 may have originated as a US Navy air superiority aircraft, but it developed a huge reputation in the ground attack and Close Air Support fields. Given that they likely never considered handing out Russian alt-modes the fact that the Decepticon disguised as a renowned "mud mover" turns out to be Blitzwing makes me feel a bit like I should have seen it coming.
Karl
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 22, 2018 19:12:52 GMT
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Post by blueshift on Jul 22, 2018 19:13:44 GMT
but for some reason the fan community assumed that he was on grounds I'm unclear on. I mean probably the little fact that there's a guy in the film who looks like G1 Starscream with G1 Starscream's colour scheme? It's clearly supposed to resemble him, it wasn't a weird accident or something. But even with the above, when everyone started to get excited about Starscream being in it, the intelligent thing to do would be to just tell people it isn't. Not just stay stony-faced silent for (how long? 1-2 months? It's not like people weren't constantly asking!!) The problem is that all these big companies LOVE people talking about their product on social media, so they LOVE creating lots and lots of HYPE and then completely failing to manage expectations. They created those expectations by putting a character who looked exactly like Starscream in the trailer and then not correcting anyone when everyone got excited about it, because excitement=HYPE. |
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Post by blueshift on Jul 22, 2018 19:16:37 GMT
Basically companies really really love creating massive expectations for HYPE and then being all "oh tee hee we don't know why people believed the exact thing that our marketing was set up to make them believe, what IDIOTS"
It's really really annoying, and happens a lot. They just want twitter trends.
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Post by blueshift on Jul 22, 2018 19:18:30 GMT
Amazingly Chris Chibnall is doing it right with Dr Who by telling people straight up there are no daleks in S11 so people don't get the wrong expectations.
The Paramount way would be to run a trailer with the dalek noise and close-ups of dalek bits and someone screaming "EXTERMINATE" and then months and months later reveal that there are no daleks and that the close ups were just random spheres and an egg whisk and that people were dumbos for thinking there would be daleks.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 22, 2018 19:29:30 GMT
Amazingly Chris Chibnall is doing it right with Dr Who by telling people straight up there are no daleks in S11 so people don't get the wrong expectations. Expect Daleks in the finale then. IIRC There's something about the Daleks needing to appear in every series or the BBC have to renegotiate their contract with Hancocks...... |
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Post by blueshift on Jul 22, 2018 19:31:33 GMT
Amazingly Chris Chibnall is doing it right with Dr Who by telling people straight up there are no daleks in S11 so people don't get the wrong expectations. Expect Daleks in the finale then. IIRC There's something about the Daleks needing to appear in every series or the BBC have to renegotiate their contract with Hancocks...... I have a feeling that turned out to be an urban legend? But even if not, then a ten second cameo like in S6 would be enough to tick those boxes |
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 22, 2018 20:20:28 GMT
A character called Starscream exists in these films. The 6th in the series would be very confusing if it had a completely different looking character called Starscream. No publicity for this film ever stated a character called Starscream was in the film. Therefore the fan screaming is nonsense. I am glad I was insulated from it by not being on Twitter!!!
-Ralph
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Post by blueshift on Jul 22, 2018 20:37:10 GMT
A character called Starscream exists in these films. The 6th in the series would be very confusing if it had a completely different looking character called Starscream. No publicity for this film ever stated a character called Starscream was in the film. Therefore the fan screaming is nonsense. I am glad I was insulated from it by not being on Twitter!!! -Ralph He's a robot, how would it be confusing at all? Really if they don't want to put Starscream in the film, dont' use his design. Fans didn't force them to use the G1 Starscream design. The trailer and surrounding publicity was clearly set up to make fans think it would be Starscream, and even if it was all a big accident, they should have clarified immediately. Not rocket science. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 22, 2018 20:41:17 GMT
A character called Starscream exists in these films. The 6th in the series would be very confusing if it had a completely different looking character called Starscream. No publicity for this film ever stated a character called Starscream was in the film. Therefore the fan screaming is nonsense. I am glad I was insulated from it by not being on Twitter!!! -Ralph Bumblebee looks completely different here too! |
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 22, 2018 20:47:13 GMT
A character called Starscream exists in these films. The 6th in the series would be very confusing if it had a completely different looking character called Starscream. No publicity for this film ever stated a character called Starscream was in the film. Therefore the fan screaming is nonsense. I am glad I was insulated from it by not being on Twitter!!! -Ralph He's a robot, how would it be confusing at all? Really if they don't want to put Starscream in the film, dont' use his design. Fans didn't force them to use the G1 Starscream design. The trailer and surrounding publicity was clearly set up to make fans think it would be Starscream, and even if it was all a big accident, they should have clarified immediately. Not rocket science. One very brief shot that requires freeze framing to squint at it to see if a robot looks like one from 30 years ago in different media hardly constitutes an advertising campaign or publicity for said character. It's not a film companies fault if people see things that aren't there. There is no requirement for them to clarify anything. -Ralph |
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Post by blueshift on Jul 22, 2018 20:48:30 GMT
A character called Starscream exists in these films. The 6th in the series would be very confusing if it had a completely different looking character called Starscream. No publicity for this film ever stated a character called Starscream was in the film. Therefore the fan screaming is nonsense. I am glad I was insulated from it by not being on Twitter!!! -Ralph Bumblebee looks completely different here too! I remember there was a Devastator in TF1 and in TF2 and they looked different And there were two sets of identical Constructions in TF2 which were never explained Again, if they didn't want people to think it was Starscream they shouldn't have made him look like Starscream. It's not like people were thinking any of the other bots in the trailer were Starscream. The SDCC footage had a guy who was red and blue and turned into a truck. Clearly Optimus Prime? Or would only a FOOL think that and it's actually Gnaw? |
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 22, 2018 20:49:53 GMT
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Post by blueshift on Jul 22, 2018 20:54:07 GMT
One very brief shot that requires freeze framing to squint at it to see if a robot looks like one from 30 years ago in different media hardly constitutes an advertising campaign or publicity for said character. It's not a film companies fault if people see things that aren't there. There is no requirement for them to clarify anything. -Ralph If they weren't expecting people to look at the bits of the trailer (like say, every other film for the past ten years) and had completely missed every single bit of social media and news articles about it, then they should fire their entire marketing team. The Aquaman trailer looked very exciting. Would you expect DC to turn round in a month and tell people that this chap is actually Bizarro and that anyone who thought he was Black Manta is a dumbo fanboy because he wasn't mentioned by name in the trailer, tee hee?  |
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 22, 2018 20:56:39 GMT
Please keep going. This is the finest Internet Madness I have seen for quite some time.
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jul 22, 2018 20:59:12 GMT
Fact: There was never anything saying Starscream was in this movie.
Fact: That he 'was' was invented and popularised by fans.
Fact: Movieverse TFs can both look and not look like their Sunbow counterparts to widely varying degrees. For every precedent one way there is another the other. Therefore nothing should be gleaned from appearence, let alone the very vague similarity here of a transforming jet.
Fact: Hasbro is under zero obligation too confirm or deny ideas that exist only in the minds of some fans. It is also highly improbable there is any tee hee campaign to 'trick' fans here. What good would it serve?
Fact: several folk here pointed out at the time there was *no* basis for thinking this character would be Starscream.
Basically fans got it wrong. And don't like to be wrong.
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Post by blueshift on Jul 22, 2018 21:01:44 GMT
Why does he look like G1 Starscream then?
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jul 22, 2018 21:02:10 GMT
But he doesn't!!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 22, 2018 21:14:53 GMT
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Post by Bogatan on Jul 22, 2018 21:24:48 GMT
Indeed, Starscream was never mentioned by any source in a position to know as being in the film but for some reason the fan community assumed that he was on grounds I'm unclear on. The grounds were what we could see of it previously looked a bit like and was coloured very similarly to the 1984 Starscream ..... and nothing like Blitzwing! Its not not like Blitzwing entirely  |
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