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Post by Benn on Oct 9, 2018 7:55:16 GMT
There hasn't been a triplechanger in the movieverse that had a three-mode toy, they've all had two toys, one for each mode.
Shatter's the girl one in the trailer talking to John Cena, isn't she?
We've seen three Earth-based Decepticons in the trailer. I don't remember the third's name...
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Post by Kingoji on Oct 9, 2018 10:00:39 GMT
Drop-Kick, I think.
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Post by Toph on Oct 9, 2018 20:06:44 GMT
Shatter is the girl, and she's red and a car/jet. Dropkick is the boy, and he's the blue-gray car/helicopter. We've confirmation on Shatter, Dropkick, and Blitzwing. Suspect Barricade, given his prominence in the toyline. And I suspect Soundwave has a bigger-than-cameo part given how much Hasbro is pushing the tape thing in the exclusives. There hasn't been a triplechanger in the movieverse that had a three-mode toy, they've all had two toys, one for each mode. Aye. And it irritated the frak out of me that for drift's helicopter mode in AOE, they used DotM Skyhammer, instead of generations Springer (which was a car/helicopter triple changer, HAD A FRIGGIN' SEORD, and looked more like Drift. |
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Post by The Huff on Dec 9, 2018 11:29:45 GMT
Anyone else going to any early screenings? I'm going next Sunday and am very excited!
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Dec 9, 2018 11:59:42 GMT
Yes, I am off to next Sunday's screening as well.
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 9, 2018 13:45:06 GMT
As am I. If I wasn't going socially as a group I wouldn't have bothered otherwise. I still think it looks like more of the same shit.
-Ralph
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Post by Bogatan on Dec 9, 2018 19:25:48 GMT
Next Saturday and or Sunday for me.
Friends in the US saw it yesterday (as their early screenings are this weekend) and it universally seems to have been loved by both fans and haters of the Bay movies. Scary stuff.
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 9, 2018 22:25:23 GMT
I'm gonna wait 'till it comes on the telly.
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Post by Pinwig on Dec 9, 2018 23:04:49 GMT
Next fortnight will be mental for me. I'll make this a holiday treat to celebrate surviving the end of term. Along with Aquaman and Fantastic Beasts.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Dec 12, 2018 23:48:41 GMT
Off to see Bumblebee on Sunday.
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Post by Bogatan on Dec 16, 2018 15:35:31 GMT
Wow!
Coherent thoughts to come.
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Post by Bogatan on Dec 16, 2018 17:36:56 GMT
In short its the film that should have been made in 2007. As its not properly out for another week or so spoilery spoilers follow.
But its a bit more complicated than that because it wasn't made in 2007 it was made 4 movies and 11 years later.
As a stand alone film its brilliant. But as a prequel its flawed and as a reboot its too similar. I feel like they wanted it to be both. I assume it started as a proper prequel but then TLK failed and they wanted it to feel a bit more independent. The result is a film that as a prequel only adds to the horrendous mess that is the Bayverse continuity. Some scenes simultaneously reinforces the connection to previous movies while creating new plot holes.
Speaking of Bay, I did find myself occasionally missing his direction (in fairness, very occasionally) and for all the shit his films get, that first one had some real moments of wonder. Bumblebee is missing that "In 50 years dont you want to be able to look back and say you got in the car " kind of moment.
It almost works better if I think of it as a remake of the 2007 film because almost all of the key elements of that film are reused here. It allows for the similarities and the inconsistancies.
On the plus side, if the direction doesnt have quite as much flair as Bays films, its generally an awful lot easier to understand what is going on, the characterisation is much better (humans and robots) and the humour age appropriate.
The Transformers designs are nice, the Decepticons finally have faces that can express emotion, oddly the designs (the earth based ones) aren't actually that different to the 2007 designs, they are just..... more ... traditional....
The Cybertronian designs are almost ridiculously G1, lovely as it is to see, it does feel a bit like a computer game cut scene.
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Post by Bogatan on Dec 16, 2018 17:40:56 GMT
The homages and in jokes are very well done this time.
Judd Nelson has now appeared in 2 Transformers films, this is an odd thing.
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Post by Bogatan on Dec 16, 2018 17:46:25 GMT
I think this is a spoiler free description.
Its like a cross between Transformers 2007 and The Snowman 1982.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 16, 2018 20:35:53 GMT
I thought I wouldn't get to see it this weekend, but I was wrong. I have seen it. Not perfect, but easily the best TF film yet - and the first one to really get what the TFs were originally about. Hailee Steinfeld was excellent. Her character made the film. I didn't hate Shia LaBeouf in the Bay films, but this shows what could have been had they played the lead straight rather than for laughs in those earlier films.
John Cena was hilarious, essentially sending up the macho soldier types from the Bay films.
The other humans were second-rate, but that didn't matter too much. It was the lead that really mattered in this film, and they nailed it.
The CG intro at the start felt like a cartoon. Yes, it was nice to see the classic characters with their 1984 looks, but they felt less real than any of the robots in the 2007 movie. Much as I love those classic robot designs, I don't know if they will ever be able to make them come across as convincing in supposedly live action films.
By all means use the classic vehicle modes, but the classic robot modes are too simplistic to work in live action. Thankfully, all the robots on Earth felt real - it was just the Cybertron sequences that didn't.
Poor Cliffjumper!
The vomiting scene was... unnecessary.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 16, 2018 20:37:22 GMT
I think this is a spoiler free description. Its like a cross between Transformers 2007 and The Snowman 1982. There's a lot of E.T. in it as well. Martin |
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Post by Bogatan on Dec 16, 2018 20:44:44 GMT
True but the 2007 film already had a lot of ET about it. Buried. Deep deep down.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 16, 2018 20:52:31 GMT
Obscure observation: Charlie objected to the soldier referring to Bumblebee as 'it' and insisted that he was a 'he', but this was an arbitrary decision on her part, since she had never heard him speak, and his robot mode doesn't scream any particular gender. Maybe if she had been grieving for a dead mother or sister rather than a dead father when she met Bumblebee, and had had a female-figure-shaped gap in her life rather than a male one, she might have labelled him as a 'she' rather than a 'he'. Who can say? Martin |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 16, 2018 22:21:36 GMT
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Post by The Huff on Dec 16, 2018 22:49:21 GMT
Just got back! IT WAS WONDERFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Pinwig on Dec 16, 2018 22:54:36 GMT
Good Lord. I'm not sure I can cope with all this positivity about a Transformers film. This feels weird. I must go next weekend.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Dec 16, 2018 23:05:56 GMT
Enjoyed it. What the 2007 film should have been.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 16, 2018 23:09:12 GMT
Enjoyed it. What the 2007 film should have been. Andy And also, in my opinion, what the 1986 film should have been! Martin |
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Post by The Huff on Dec 16, 2018 23:23:37 GMT
{Spoiler}So did the 1986 film exist in this universe? As Bumblebee plays 'The Touch' a year later?' |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 16, 2018 23:30:52 GMT
In the Bumblebee universe 'The Touch' by Stan Bush evidently does well enough in the charts that it is actually being played on the radio a year later. So in this universe it can't be just a TF:TM song! Martin |
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Post by Bogatan on Dec 18, 2018 10:03:50 GMT
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Post by reilly2040 on Dec 20, 2018 23:06:20 GMT
Just back from seeing the film, and it was great. It felt notable that the vast majority of the complaints made about the previous movies were utterly absent for this one, and the result was a far better movie generally. I also enjoyed that the film wasn't afraid to be its own self-contained thing. Too many movies these days get lost in trying to setup larger cinematic universes and the like. Bumblebee was a much simpler movie and all the better for it. Some thoughts in a spoiler tag just in case: Spoiler
The first 60 seconds are pretty much the G1 love letter I'd been waiting for. So many quick fire cameos, Optimus being kick ass, but also managed to establish Bee as a formidable character, and setup why they'd left Cybertron and why Bumblebee was sent to Earth, all in short order. Great stuff.
Did the writer watch the Lyndsey Ellis videos? She made a compelling argument about how the 2007 movie seemed more written for Megan Fox's character to be the main character, with a more compelling backstory, character arc, and skills appropriate to moving the plot forward. This is essentially that film.
Seeing Optimus in truck mode at the end brought a giant grin to my face. I almost regretted the brief scene afterwards that established it was definitely him, as I quite liked the "was that Optimus" ambiguity.
Talking of Optimus, most of his appearances brought to mind the flashback storyline from More Than Meets The Eye. The Orion Pax described in that story, always jumping off of things and kicking ass, was very much the version we got here.
Shatter and Dropkick were great. Again, trimming down the fat from the previous films, and bringing a smaller cast of characters into focus benefitted things greatly. The attention to detail with the alt modes being integrated into their bot modes as they scanned their third modes was a nice touch.
John Cena's line about "they literally call themselves Decepticons. You don't think that's a red flag?" was hysterical.#
Despite all the G1 love, I liked how they didn't throw the previous films under the bus, with continuity nods like Sector 7, Simmons, and Bumblebee scanning the Camero at the end. Not entirely sure how the continuity lines up. Presumably Megatron was later unearthed and housed at the Hoover Dam, but I had the impression from the first movie he should've already been there, and was Sector 7's whole reason for being? But then, the continuity was already a complete mess anyway, so screw it.
All in all, the feeling was very much of a film made by a team that not only cared about Transformers, but also making a good film. I'll be interested to see where the films go next. Last Knight had apparently killed the Bayverse, but a sequel to Bumblebee seems a solid move. Maybe we need a Days of Future Past-esque sequel where Bots from post-Last Knight travel to find Bumblebee in the 90s and reboot the timeline? Target: 1995 anyone? |
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Post by The Huff on Dec 21, 2018 5:45:59 GMT
Seeing Optimus in truck mode at the end brought a giant grin to my face. I almost regretted the brief scene afterwards that established it was definitely him, as I quite liked the "was that Optimus" ambiguity. I agree completely there - they should have at least put that scene that confirms it wayyy later at the end of the credits. The truck bit was a wonderful touch and should have been left as it was. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 21, 2018 6:36:09 GMT
According to The Last Knight, Bumblebee was already on Earth fighting alongside humans in World War II.
And in Revenge of the Fallen, the Decepticons knew about Earth decades before the Bumblebee film - Jetfire was one of them.
So, the continuity is all screwed up, but that's nothing new.
Martin
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 21, 2018 6:43:42 GMT
{Spoiler}I agree completely there - they should have at least put that scene that confirms it wayyy later at the end of the credits. The truck bit was a wonderful touch and should have been left as it was. Matt, fixed the original of this post! |
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