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Post by Bogatan on Dec 21, 2018 8:44:15 GMT
According to The Last Knight, Bumblebee was already on Earth fighting alongside humans in World War II. And in Revenge of the Fallen, the Decepticons knew about Earth decades before the Bumblebee film - Jetfire was one of them. So, the continuity is all screwed up, but that's nothing new. Martin Not sure its totally screwed up. The only reason Bee being in WWII sits awkwardly is because of the way Prime instructs Bee to go to Earth at the beginning of the film as if Bee had never heard of it before. If it had been written as "Bee you need to go back to Earth and finish our colonisation plans it would have been fine. Im putting it down to bad exposition. The rest of the timeline broadly works. Cybertronians have been visiting Earth on various occasions for 65 million years at least, but each new visitor has generally been unaware of the previous visitors. It breaks down more in the detail, like at this point if the 2007 film was being remade Simmons would surely be more knowledgeable about Transformers than he is, but even then I dont think any of it is completely incompatible. And yes, the 2007 film works far better if you treat Mikaela as the important character and Sam as the bumbling fool he is. Spoiler
That appearance of Prime is really odd. I mean it technically doesn't cause an issue with the timeline, I dont think Prime has ever said he'd never been to Earth before and it would make sense that he would visit a place that was being setup as the Autobots final refuge or whatever, but it still felt slightly unneccesary after the far more vague but pleasing bridge scene.
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Post by The Huff on Dec 21, 2018 8:58:36 GMT
I don't think Bumblebee ever fought Nazi's - I put that down to Sir Edmund Burton being a bit crazy.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 21, 2018 17:00:24 GMT
I don't think Bumblebee ever fought Nazi's - I put that down to Sir Edmund Burton being a bit crazy. As I recall, he had photos and other historic evidence. Martin |
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Post by The Huff on Dec 21, 2018 18:41:42 GMT
I don't think Bumblebee ever fought Nazi's - I put that down to Sir Edmund Burton being a bit crazy. As I recall, he had photos and other historic evidence. Martin That's just how crazy he was! Perhaps they were fakes? Which was why the robots had vehicle parts that wouldn't exist back then. Or perhaps it's just the writers who are mad? Or me for paying to watch that tripe? |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 22, 2018 18:02:09 GMT
Mark Kermode likes a Transformers movie. It must be the end of days.
Martin
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 23, 2018 16:47:10 GMT
Opening weekend in the US: $21m (estimate). Source: Boxoffice mojo.
An ice-cream parlour near me is offering Bumblebee promo snacks: a waffle dish and a themed milkshake!
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Dec 23, 2018 17:05:24 GMT
I've scanned this thread twice but can't find the bit where we were discussing that prediction for the opening weekend. What was it? 20-30 million? So it's done what the prediction said it would, but that's well under what TLK did?
Thing about this film, because of the positive reviews it might slow burn for longer than the last films and do comparatively better (compared to budget, not overall takings).
I'm booked in. Going tomorrow afternoon.
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Post by blueshift on Dec 23, 2018 17:16:55 GMT
Yikes. Unsurprising but yikes
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 23, 2018 17:22:38 GMT
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Post by Pinwig on Dec 24, 2018 15:37:40 GMT
Agent Pinwig going in!
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Post by blueshift on Dec 24, 2018 15:44:03 GMT
Good luck sir! I have to wait until after Christmas D: |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Dec 24, 2018 17:48:27 GMT
Yikes. Unsurprising but yikes Not a yikes really. Much smaller budget and smaller estimates, looking at this to get good word of mouth and repeat visits. Which it looks like is a reasonable prospect. |
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Post by Pinwig on Dec 24, 2018 18:28:35 GMT
Ho! That was good. My word was that good. Did my heart good to sit in a cinema with the not-we feeling proud to be a Transformers fan.
Now the race is on to get home by seven for the big unwrapping. Might just make it.
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 24, 2018 18:42:32 GMT
Yikes. Unsurprising but yikes Decent start for what it is. It remains to be seen if it is destroyed by the triple threat of Poppins, Spidery-Man and Aquaconan. More competitive marketplace this Christmas with no Star Wars crushing everything. -Ralph |
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Post by Pinwig on Dec 25, 2018 21:28:33 GMT
Is there a reason why Bumblebee is called B127? Cliffjumper had the right name. B127 makes him sound like a disposable drone type, like a vehicon. If that was the intention, why would Prime entrust a planet to a nobody? Were there 126 other Bs? |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Dec 26, 2018 13:24:04 GMT
{Spoiler}If he's an advanced scout/spy type character then a designation or codename might be used more readily (007) so perhaps in the movies he has an entirely different name prior to the film. Maybe he is Goldbug? |
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Post by primenova on Dec 27, 2018 12:14:26 GMT
Are you sure its Mark Kermode doing the review. When there is a new Marvel or other comic toy based film he starts with "I utterly detest these films"
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Post by drmick on Dec 27, 2018 17:31:42 GMT
I found the film a bit too dull.
If I am given the choice of watching Bumblebee or the 2007 movie I'm picking 2007 every time, warts and all.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Dec 27, 2018 17:36:27 GMT
Just back from seeing this. Really enjoyed it. It has some heart and soul and works well with a much tighter and more disciplined cast it seems. Only at one point did I think the 'human' element overwhelmed the film too much and I wanted them to get on with the story. A vast improvement on Bay's films. I will admit to initially being confused over how to handle a Transformers movie story that was driven by character and story rather than robot humping or eccentric human family dynamics and 'hilarious' improvised comedy. Did think the Cybertron scenes and G1 Optimus epilogue were unneccesary though. Prime on the bridge would the have been perfect. |
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 30, 2018 17:47:18 GMT
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Dec 30, 2018 19:27:46 GMT
It is a good solid film. I feel they could easily use it as a spring board for a new run of (better) films than the ones before.
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Post by Pinwig on Dec 31, 2018 19:11:04 GMT
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 31, 2018 20:26:35 GMT
Hopefully the deleted scenes will be extras on the Blu-ray! Martin |
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Post by Pinwig on Dec 31, 2018 20:30:09 GMT
Hope so.
I thought it telling that the start was altered so the film itself made more sense, but in doing so took it further away from working with the previous films (BB's arrival on Earth). I like the fact they decided to make that film work better and sod the continuity.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 31, 2018 20:35:30 GMT
I thought it telling that the start was altered so the film itself made more sense, but in doing so took it further away from working with the previous films (BB's arrival on Earth). I like the fact they decided to make that film work better and sod the continuity. Agree completely - the earlier films don't deserve to be considered part of the same saga as Bumblebee anyway. Martin |
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 1, 2019 4:08:22 GMT
Hope so. I thought it telling that the start was altered so the film itself made more sense, but in doing so took it further away from working with the previous films (BB's arrival on Earth). I like the fact they decided to make that film work better and sod the continuity. Im in two minds on this whole business. Clearly there was at least fatigue with TLK, but it didn't exactly bomb. Its clear from the test screening they went from a prequel to a reboot, but could only change so much and for me they didn't/couldn't change enough to make it a proper reboot so would have been better off keeping it more in line wit the bay films. Because what they have (while great) really isnt distinct enough to be called a reboot. Its almost like early Dreamwave G1 when they sort ofwanted to give the impression that it could sort of be a sequel to the marvel comics or cartoon, but wasn't really. But if you are going to try and make it a reboot why not reshoot the ending and . Spoiler
Not have Bee take on the Camero form. Its bad enough that they couldnt really do much about Bees voice without reshooting half the film, but if they had left him as the Beetle it would have created a bit of seperation from the Bay films and without creating any contradictions down the line if they finally went with prequel.
Aside from anything else if theres a sequel people are going to want to see VW Bee again not Camaro Bee For those sick of the movies not clearly making and advertising a rebooted series makes it less likely they'll come back. And if they are relying on word of mouth, surely word that its a really good film is better than word being passed that its a reboot. But for the fans it not being a proper prequel (or a continuation of TLK) brings its own issues. And Im not so much talking us, Im talking the kids of 07 now in their late teens to early twenties who have grown up with the films. This is their G1 and here are getting a weird bastardised hybrid set 10-15 years before they were born. They'll have as much nostalgia for that setting as we do the 60s. And if they end up not feeling it because of the unfamiliar setting and inconsistancies then the word of mouth they'll be spreading wont be the 100% positive news it should be. I'm probably over thinking it, but the more I think about it the more certain changes just seem potentially more counter productive than productive. |
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Post by drmick on Jan 1, 2019 23:08:46 GMT
Hope so. I thought it telling that the start was altered so the film itself made more sense, but in doing so took it further away from working with the previous films (BB's arrival on Earth). I like the fact they decided to make that film work better and sod the continuity. Im in two minds on this whole business. Clearly there was at least fatigue with TLK, but it didn't exactly bomb. Its clear from the test screening they went from a prequel to a reboot, but could only change so much and for me they didn't/couldn't change enough to make it a proper reboot so would have been better off keeping it more in line wit the bay films. Because what they have (while great) really isnt distinct enough to be called a reboot. Its almost like early Dreamwave G1 when they sort ofwanted to give the impression that it could sort of be a sequel to the marvel comics or cartoon, but wasn't really. But if you are going to try and make it a reboot why not reshoot the ending and . Spoiler
Not have Bee take on the Camero form. Its bad enough that they couldnt really do much about Bees voice without reshooting half the film, but if they had left him as the Beetle it would have created a bit of seperation from the Bay films and without creating any contradictions down the line if they finally went with prequel.
Aside from anything else if theres a sequel people are going to want to see VW Bee again not Camaro Bee For those sick of the movies not clearly making and advertising a rebooted series makes it less likely they'll come back. And if they are relying on word of mouth, surely word that its a really good film is better than word being passed that its a reboot. But for the fans it not being a proper prequel (or a continuation of TLK) brings its own issues. And Im not so much talking us, Im talking the kids of 07 now in their late teens to early twenties who have grown up with the films. This is their G1 and here are getting a weird bastardised hybrid set 10-15 years before they were born. They'll have as much nostalgia for that setting as we do the 60s. And if they end up not feeling it because of the unfamiliar setting and inconsistancies then the word of mouth they'll be spreading wont be the 100% positive news it should be. I'm probably over thinking it, but the more I think about it the more certain changes just seem potentially more counter productive than productive. Where were these wise test screen audiences in 2007, 2009, etc?!!? |
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 1, 2019 23:11:04 GMT
Fan reaction to 2007 was generally popular. The biggest complaint was the transformer designs.
After its success I suspect Bay could do what he wanted.
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 2, 2019 20:09:59 GMT
Some additional robot stuff was added with the Autobots to clarify the plot a bit for 2007 following test screening feedback.
-Ralph
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Post by drmick on Jan 2, 2019 23:32:32 GMT
Some additional robot stuff was added with the Autobots to clarify the plot a bit for 2007 following test screening feedback. -Ralph The 2007 plot, to this day, makes no sense whatsoever. In saying that I watched it again a few days ago. The action sequences still compete with today's blockbusters. And the score/theme music is excellent. I agree that Bumblebee is the better film, from a film critic point of view, but 2007 offers a much better visual and aural spectacle. |
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