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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 19, 2023 10:38:16 GMT
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Post by Pinwig on Nov 19, 2023 11:48:11 GMT
Interesting, I'll have a read. Ta.
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Stomski
Fusilateral Quintro Combiner
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Post by Stomski on Jun 17, 2024 13:38:53 GMT
Going through the process of selling my CHUGs because they've been in storage since new.
Going through them all this line is so appealing. The size of the deluxes is great in hand and the robots and alt modes look great. Most figures seem to have a uniqueness to them that seemed to whither with Combiner Wars.
The weird thing is (not including Classics) there's very few that I actually opened and yet I swear I'd opened more. A real shame that I want to sell MOC because I'd love to get these all out and see if they deliver on my 15 years of expectation!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 4, 2024 12:55:55 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 24, 2024 7:47:07 GMT
1. Legacy Gears 2. Studio Series Gnaw 3. Studio Series Swool 4. LEGACY LEADER SANDSTORM!Yep, that's right guys, I've broken the ',84 light-barrier! Childhood favourite (actually, young adulthood favourite 'cos I got him when he was released during Classic Heroes). I was watching for him coming on sale and decided to get one from ID's sale. £27! Superb figure. What a difference the leader price-point does to a Voyager sized toy. Very reminiscent of the G1 toy which fills me with nostalgic glee. Sandstorm is the best of the Autobot Triple Changers by a country mile. Springer is just a green brick, Broadside- I'm sorry, an aircraft carried is just too bonkers. Sandstorm is cut from the same cloth as Blitzwing and Astrotrain - proper Triple Changers with two distinct and usable vehicular modes. Ah, but do you have the updates of the other Triple Changers, hmmm? -Ralph |
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Post by legios on Sept 24, 2024 17:11:56 GMT
Best Springer is the is the one that feels least like him - the long, lanky, Generations one from a way's back that shared some of its engineering with the Sandstorm from the same era. Really nice toy that, and distinctly unbricklike.
Karl
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 24, 2024 17:37:53 GMT
Yeah the Thrilling 30 IDW style Springer is the best..... and it's Cloud Rodimus repaint is fabulous
Have you experienced any version of the Siege Springer? (Siege, Wreckers repaint, SS86 remould)
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 24, 2024 18:59:35 GMT
Best Springer is the is the one that feels least like him - the long, lanky, Generations one from a way's back that shared some of its engineering with the Sandstorm from the same era. Really nice toy that, and distinctly unbricklike. Karl Yes it is very nice. A close second is the Botcon Springer. -Ralph |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 24, 2024 19:38:13 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 24, 2024 20:04:09 GMT
Yes. It is very very nice.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 24, 2024 20:29:58 GMT
Doesn't shout Springer at me, he needs a Helicopter mode
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 24, 2024 21:59:38 GMT
It really works in hand, honestly. You wouldn't think it would, but it does.
-Ralph
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Post by Toph on Sept 25, 2024 2:37:09 GMT
It works as a Cybertron Springer, when most homages were recolors, and bared little other resemblance to the original.
But it's never come even close to scratching the G1 Springer itch, the way the Evac repaint, T30, or Siege do.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 25, 2024 7:43:30 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 25, 2024 7:51:04 GMT
Took me a couple of attempts to find the right place for those Springer/Sandstorm posts. Here's the best I can do I think
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Sept 25, 2024 9:47:18 GMT
It really works in hand, honestly. You wouldn't think it would, but it does. -Ralph I stand with m'learned colleague on this one, I regret moving mine on and really should get Nick on the case for sourcing another. It feels like Springer and evokes the character and spirit of him far more effectively than GDO or the Evac repaint ever did. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 25, 2024 10:23:28 GMT
I've been thinking a lot about older G1 Generations toys recently as I've been packing stuff up.
The first portion of the Generations Line - Classics, Universe 2, Generations, Thrilling 30 - is updated versions, with varying levels of cartoon accuracy and a fan pull towards being more cartoon accurate.
Prime Wars - the gimmick era - kind of sits in a no mans land where some stuff is cartoon accurate and others aren't
WFC and Legends go full on with being cartoon accurate.
I've found myself being drawn more to toys in the first portion that throw the cartoon accuracy out the window and present a reimagined version. Generations Kup & Blurr's Earth Modes are a good example. Thunderwing & Black Shadow. Darkmount. Warpath. Scourge, which is in my pile coming from Nick
There's stuff in there, the Datsuns and Ratchet & Ironhide, that are close to being cartoon accurate but just miss the mark. Really can't be had with them. Sideswipe & Sunstreaker are a shade better and get a boost by the miracle of moulding/engineering that does them from the same mould.
Then you have the Tracks, Wheeljacks and Jazz which are amazing.
Plus there's IDW specific version: Drift, Skids, Trailbreaker, Hoist, Brainstorm, Springer, Swerve & Tailgate
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Post by Shockprowl on Sept 25, 2024 16:16:58 GMT
1. Legacy Gears 2. Studio Series Gnaw 3. Studio Series Swoop 4. LEGACY LEADER SANDSTORM!Ah, but do you have the updates of the other Triple Changers, hmmm? -Ralph I have Siegey-Earththing Astrotrain and Blitzwing, as part of my '84+ collection (that I only need Windcharger to complete), but none of the others. And I don't much care for them, they hold no interest to me. Their alt modes are either dull or mental. Sandstorm has nostalgasm factor and, Like Astrotrain and Blitzwing, two great alt modes. |
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Post by Toph on Sept 25, 2024 16:52:34 GMT
I very much wanted him to repurpose into prebeast Waspinator, but never found him. He was the only one from his set of TRU exclusives anyone really wanted, and I only had one TRU to search. |
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 25, 2024 17:07:35 GMT
It really works in hand, honestly. You wouldn't think it would, but it does. -Ralph I stand with m'learned colleague on this one, I regret moving mine on and really should get Nick on the case for sourcing another. It feels like Springer and evokes the character and spirit of him far more effectively than GDO or the Evac repaint ever did. I regretted getting shot of mine and reacquired it from Nick. We had it on the Toy-Fu table for hours and no one bought it! -Ralph |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Sept 25, 2024 17:09:47 GMT
I stand with m'learned colleague on this one, I regret moving mine on and really should get Nick on the case for sourcing another. It feels like Springer and evokes the character and spirit of him far more effectively than GDO or the Evac repaint ever did. I regretted getting shot of mine and reacquired it from Nick. We had it on the Toy-Fu table for hours and no one bought it! -Ralph I know, I had one eye on it but you got there first. |
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Post by Toph on Oct 24, 2024 3:23:53 GMT
I wasn't the greatest fan of some of the stuff he did, a very G1-centric position and very anti doing beast toys/Dinobots for a long time. And his post first go at Transformers handling of Power Rangers wasn't good. But he was responsible for Combiner Wars & Titans Return, two of the greatest Generations toylines - even though there were odd choices made in both of those too! But I don't like to see anyone loose their jobs. Hope he finds something in the future. Combiner Wars was only good if you exclusively care about having as many scramble combiners as possible. Other wise, it was three or so years (combined) and two separate lines of the dozen and a half molds run so much that each one was practically disintegrating on their final releases. Combiner Wars and Combiner Wars II Power of the Primes were the two most boring lines in all of Generations run. And if you aren't fond of having your toys heads fall off, Titans Return wasn't much better. But at least it wasn't Combiner Wars, and at least the individual molds were more imaginative, and significantly better stand alone toys. But honestly? No. Those were very halfassed. I mean, we had TWO lines dedicated to G1 combiners, and he couldn't even be bothered to complete them. Definitely didn't bother to complete the headmasters, to which there are so few in the entire franchise (let alone G1), each one could have gotten an update within that line. Instead, we got brand new molds for characters who weren't headmasters, that never got used again (hotrod and perceptor. And I'm counting Kup because one exclusive repaint of something no one wanted doesn't really count). Was there any reason we got Kup, Hotrod, and Perceptor instead of Nightbeat, Siren, and Hosehead? Or Horri-Bull, Squeezeplay, and Fangry? A halfassed approach that dominates his run in Siege, Earthrise, and Kingdom (the latter being the point where things finally started to pick up) So yeah. Not all of us have fond memories of "prime wars." Another round of shitty combiners would have had me finally check out of collecting. |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Oct 24, 2024 6:45:46 GMT
I'm guessing it's because the past doesn't have to dictate the future?
I would have enjoyed seeing the Headmaster Jnrs in the mainline redone again, but it didn't happen. *Shrugs*
Really don't get the sense that some fans have that things must be 'completed' as they were 30 years ago or it is somehow deficient. Same thing happened with the recent run of Micromasters. It is what it is.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Oct 24, 2024 6:48:37 GMT
Combiner Wars didn't really grab me as at the time I didn't have money to go around getting complete sets and yep, the individual toys were weaker on their own due to balancing the different requirements of combining.
Loved Titans Return though. As a huge fan of the original HM/TM/PM it felt like my Generations line at last and took us well away from infinite remoulds of just the original crews. At least for a while.
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 24, 2024 7:57:05 GMT
Yep, big fan of Titans Return here, too. And also (although not quite as big) a fan of Combiner wars as well - I appreciate the frustration in not being able to complete waves (and distribution played a big role in that), but I liked that they also did weird things like Sky Lynx as a combiner torso or the IDW-esque Ultra Magnus that wasn't a combiner at all. Generally unified stuff, with the odd thing coming out of left-field - made things interesting. Power of the Primes, mind you, was something of a disappointment, being a half-arsed combination of both which amounted to much less than the sum of its parts - not sure what happened there (As an aside, companies should never listen to fans. We don't know what we want.) -Ralph |
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Post by Bogatan on Oct 24, 2024 9:36:53 GMT
I love Combiner Wars, but the lets make all the G1 cars combiners wasnt my favourite element of the line (and it was a big element) and a lot of the most interesting uses of the concept came from Takaras take on it.
I feel Im the odd one out here (along with Jetty), but TR doesnt hold up for me. I think I felt more positively about it at the time, but its gone down hill since. Like Jetty the failure to redo so many of the headmasters just feels like a huge missed opportunity.
Im not against making characters that werent headmasters into them. But would a TR deluxe Nightbeat from Chromedome somehow have been less desirable to 10 year olds than Getaway?
Theres not a huge number of options for Skullcruncher so yeah go crazy. Ive never looked at G1 Quickswitch without thinking he was intended to be a headmaster at somepoint in development, but Headmasters is such a specific gimmick there are not going to be loads of chances to make the one that were missed, unlike many of the non headmasters that were made instead. POTP seems to be an acknowledgement of those misses as its a lot of gap filling at least on hte CW side.
And the WFC trilogies strategy of incrementally better releases of the same characters has seriously damaged my interest in the new lines.
Then across all of those lines has been a tendency towards overly detailed greeblie finishing that 90% of the time I hate. Earthrise Starscream Im looking at you. Otherwise brilliant toys that look awful (to me) because of a final cosmetic choice.
At the same time some of my favourite toys came out in that period some of which have the same greeblie covered exterior I hate elsewhere. So what do I know.
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Post by Toph on Oct 24, 2024 14:52:03 GMT
I feel Im the odd one out here (along with Jetty), but TR doesnt hold up for me. I think I felt more positively about it at the time, but its gone down hill since. Like Jetty the failure to redo so many of the headmasters just feels like a huge missed opportunity. Im not against making characters that werent headmasters into them. But would a TR deluxe Nightbeat from Chromedome somehow have been less desirable to 10 year olds than Getaway? Theres not a huge number of options for Skullcruncher so yeah go crazy. Ive never looked at G1 Quickswitch without thinking he was intended to be a headmaster at somepoint in development, but Headmasters is such a specific gimmick there are not going to be loads of chances to make the one that were missed, unlike many of the non headmasters that were made instead. I mean, almost every single non-headmaster that turned up in TR has been redone since TR ended. Meanwhile, they have only added three(?) headmasters since TR ended. We're still missing Nightbeat, Siren, Hosehead, Horri-Bull, Sideways, Overload, (RiD) Fort Max, and a headmaster version of Minerva. But we've gotten three separate and unique Hotrod molds, since (SS86, Kingdom, and core) So yeah. On the line dedicated to headmaster updates, I do feel a bit bitter that the actual headmasters weren't prioritized. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 24, 2024 15:37:26 GMT
Scorponok, Snadragon & Apeface have been available individually.
Black Zarek was in Selects
Fangry & Squeezeplay in the fourpacks
Minera has had a redo without the Headmaster gimmick
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Post by Toph on Oct 25, 2024 4:44:22 GMT
Oh I forgot about the horrorcons!
I don't count Minerva as much the update wasn't a headmaster. Nor did it really even look like her. My opinion, though.
But I did legit forget the horrorcons. Squeezeplay and Fangry, but I wasn't sure if Grotusque came during Siege or PotP.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 25, 2024 6:19:40 GMT
Grotusque was very late TR, TRU exclusive with Scorponok's Titanmaster. Repugbus came out in the Prime Wars exclusives post POTP but neither were Headmasters originally
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