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Post by Stomski on Dec 20, 2017 13:45:54 GMT
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Post by drmick on Dec 20, 2017 17:57:38 GMT
Which Moment with Leia are you referring to? The only one I can think of is that one at the start when her ship is attacked. The one where she could have (at least tried to) saved others in the same predicament but nah, she just went over there and hoped somebody would open the door. That one?
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Dec 20, 2017 18:41:26 GMT
But Luke did not die. He turned into a Force ghost! I fully expect him to be in Ep. 9. |
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Post by Stomski on Dec 23, 2017 14:37:26 GMT
Hrmmm... Is it me or does Episode VIII feel more like Episode VII: Part 2, than an entirely separate chapter in the saga?
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 23, 2017 19:37:08 GMT
Probably because in previous films there is a gap between them for time to pass in that universe whereas 8 picks up directly from the end of 7 without any time jump.
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Dec 23, 2017 20:10:47 GMT
That's another high I found strange.
In VII the Resistance is able to launch rescue missions, take on large scale operations, etc and in VIII they fill up three ships and are so under resourced and supported they are on the run and one First Order fleet is expected to wipe them out.
Yet no time has past between films for the situation to dramatically change so much...
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 23, 2017 20:54:49 GMT
Thinking about it, I suppose part of my luke-warmness to Episodes VII and VIII is, what's the point of them?
Until Episode VII, Star Wars was a well-structured story, with a beginning, middle and end, and it had a point to it. It was about Anakin Skywalker falling into darkness and his son redeeming him. The End. It was about the fall of the Jedi and the return of the Jedi. The End. It was about the rise of the Empire and Emperor Palpatine, culminating in the Death Star (OK, there were two Death Stars, there should have just been one), and the fall of the Empire / Emperor / destruction of the Death Star(s). The End. It was about the last of the old Jedi, Obi-Wan and Yoda passing on the baton to a new generation. The End. And regardless of how the prequels were executed, they were an integral part of that story, as was Rogue One, which was essentially a missing chapter we never knew we didn't have, which slotted in nicely and enhanced the whole.
But then, what is the point of the new films? Another Empire? Another Death Star thingy? Another rebellion? Another cute droid that goes beep? Another passing on of the baton to a new new generation of Jedi? Why? Other than to make Disney money? What does it add?
Also, Anakin didn't fall to the Dark Side just for the heck of it, just because he had darkness inside him. He fell to the Dark Side because his mother was murdered and Palpatine manipulated him. Kylo Ren rather cheapens all that, by going to the Dark Side for no apparent reason at all. Similarly, Snoke and the New Order have popped up for no apparent reason, while Palpatine had a complex plot to gradually subvert the Old Republic. Where has the logical structure to it all gone?
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Post by Jim on Dec 23, 2017 22:41:09 GMT
Well, we still have to see what episode IX will reveal (we didn't get the big picture about Palpatine until 20 years and 3 more movies later) but there is potentially an interesting story in the next generation having to deal with resurgent fascism after their elders got complacent. Kylo Ren is an Angry Young Man who doesn't know where to direct his potential and has gone to the dark side as a result - the world is suffering a lot from that kind of thing right now between IS and the alt-right. I feel like it really could be a Star Wars tale for a newer generation now (TFA was too backward-looking to give that impression).
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Post by drmick on Dec 25, 2017 21:19:36 GMT
That's another high I found strange. In VII the Resistance is able to launch rescue missions, take on large scale operations, etc and in VIII they fill up three ships and are so under resourced and supported they are on the run and one First Order fleet is expected to wipe them out. Yet no time has past between films for the situation to dramatically change so much... I think that is a result of a lot of TFA ending up on cutting room floor. After the Star Killer blew up those planets a lot of systems surrendered. |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Dec 25, 2017 22:32:26 GMT
I think we can all agree the gravest injustice of The Last Jedi was that the smash hit character and popular action figure Constable Zuvio did not reappear.
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 26, 2017 8:37:51 GMT
I was gutted when he wasn't in the Luke/Kylo flashback.
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Dec 27, 2017 22:37:40 GMT
We can all keep Zuvio in our hearts.
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Post by Stomski on Dec 28, 2017 14:32:57 GMT
Until Episode VII, Star Wars was a well-structured story, with a beginning, middle and end, and it had a point to it. It was about Anakin Skywalker falling into darkness and his son redeeming him Hopefully the end of this trilogy will have Kylo kicked out from the First Order, rebanding the Knights of Ren as a third faction and give us something hugely different for 10-12. |
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Post by Dezzeh on Dec 28, 2017 15:26:23 GMT
I enjoyed this far more than I thought I would. {Spoiler}Yes I wish for a Snoke backstory, otherwise his character is a waste of effort.
Leia's moment was.. weird but not totally unexpected.
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 1, 2018 12:03:42 GMT
In the final analysis, my opinion on TLJ appears to have settled on 'meh'. Unlike every other SW film (even the Prequels) I haven't felt the urge to see it again. This despite me having an Unlimited Card and being a short walk from a World of Cine. It would cost me nothing and would be really really easy to see again but...no urge.
I am vaguely aware of people on the internet shouting at each other for not having the 'correct' opinion of the film. I find that kind of thing deeply tedious, especially if the folk are above the age of puberty and should know better.
-Ralph
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Post by blueshift on Jan 6, 2018 16:53:29 GMT
I have finally seen Star Wars
My review: That was a film.
I liked the ending but then it carried on for another hour?!??!??
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 18, 2018 17:28:35 GMT
Thinking about it, I suppose part of my luke-warmness to Episodes VII and VIII is, what's the point of them? Until Episode VII, Star Wars was a well-structured story, with a beginning, middle and end, and it had a point to it. It was about Anakin Skywalker falling into darkness and his son redeeming him. The End. It was about the fall of the Jedi and the return of the Jedi. The End. It was about the rise of the Empire and Emperor Palpatine, culminating in the Death Star (OK, there were two Death Stars, there should have just been one), and the fall of the Empire / Emperor / destruction of the Death Star(s). The End. It was about the last of the old Jedi, Obi-Wan and Yoda passing on the baton to a new generation. The End. And regardless of how the prequels were executed, they were an integral part of that story, as was Rogue One, which was essentially a missing chapter we never knew we didn't have, which slotted in nicely and enhanced the whole. But then, what is the point of the new films? Another Empire? Another Death Star thingy? Another rebellion? Another cute droid that goes beep? Another passing on of the baton to a new new generation of Jedi? Why? Other than to make Disney money? What does it add? Also, Anakin didn't fall to the Dark Side just for the heck of it, just because he had darkness inside him. He fell to the Dark Side because his mother was murdered and Palpatine manipulated him. Kylo Ren rather cheapens all that, by going to the Dark Side for no apparent reason at all. Similarly, Snoke and the New Order have popped up for no apparent reason, while Palpatine had a complex plot to gradually subvert the Old Republic. Where has the logical structure to it all gone? Martin You've nailed it there, Martin. That's just how I feel about it. I didn't mind the new characters, Po in particular was watchable, and yes some great effects in there, but generally, what the hell was the story about?!?! {Spoiler}A really slow space-chase?!?! Some of them nip off to a planet, that's luckily really nearby... Vague or just plain rubbish motivations about turning evil... And sensing evil in someone... (I didn't like Luke's part in the story at all. They wasted him) The vast plot holes, total lack of explanation and backstory (I'm looking at you, Mr Snoke), Aaaarrrgh! And Luke dying was rubbish, I thought, felt really naff. He could have been a figure-head for the New New Republic. It's like they wanted the old cast in the films, but didn't want them in the films. I'm bitterly disappointed. They just can't think up anything new can they?! The whole thing is just pointless and made very little sense. New Star Wars is dead to me. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jan 18, 2018 17:34:35 GMT
It's like they wanted the old cast in the films, but didn't want them in the films. Yeah, Transformers would never do that. Oh, wait. Hmmmm. Martin |
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 18, 2018 17:38:25 GMT
I am disproportionately down about TLJ. Hope I chill out about it in time. Some of the twists did keep me guessing, but as the overallstory was so weak, they lacked punch. There's just no point to them. No point at all.
Luke... wasted....
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 18, 2018 20:45:21 GMT
{Spoiler}AND THEY FUCKING KILLED ADMIRAL ACKBAR!!!!
THE BASTARDS!!!!
Just blown-up! Just like that! Now I thought the lady with purple hair was a well-acted character, but it should have been Ackbar who sacrificed himself to save what was left of the New Rebels! That would have meant more! |
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 18, 2018 20:48:35 GMT
{Spoiler}If Leia can survive being BLOWN-UP, and then survive THE HARD VACUUM OF SPACE, fly herslef back and, what, help heal herself...? Why couldn't she have moved the rocks at the end, or helped at least, or done some kind of mind control thingy, or again helped with that?!?! |
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 18, 2018 21:04:07 GMT
{Spoiler}And the Luke Skywalker I know from my childhood wouldn't just sit about feeling sorry for himself! He'd freakin' well get stuck in and try to sort out this appearance out of nowhere of a military force apparently even stronger than the Evil Empire he lead the destruction of!!!!! |
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 18, 2018 21:04:55 GMT
{Spoiler}AAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGHHH!!!!! |
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Post by Benn on Jan 18, 2018 21:35:59 GMT
This has gone very well, hasn't it?
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 18, 2018 21:57:40 GMT
I sympathise, Shockprowl.
-Ralph
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 18, 2018 22:02:42 GMT
Thanks, Doc'. I know it's only a film, but it somehow represents... something else...
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 18, 2018 22:16:04 GMT
Now watch the live action Ewok films.
-Ralph
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 18, 2018 22:45:32 GMT
I saw them years, decades, ago. Can't really remember much about them. There were two young kids in one that we're supposed to think are Luke and Leia.
Should have been Wookies....
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 18, 2018 22:47:59 GMT
You must watch them again with fresh eyes. The second one is Ewoknam.
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jan 19, 2018 0:58:35 GMT
I sympathise, Shockprowl. -Ralph As do I. |
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