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Post by The Doctor on Sept 10, 2016 14:24:19 GMT
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 10, 2016 14:36:16 GMT
WHAT.
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Post by blueshift on Sept 10, 2016 14:42:27 GMT
The good news is the colourised b&w UK strips.
The bad news is the seemingly random selection of issues in each book. So uh, the Target: 2006 book also has US 21-23. Okay. Sure. Whatever.
At £9.99 an issue I wonder how far we get!
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 10, 2016 14:46:58 GMT
Looks like a print order run, so #21-23 is after Target 2006 because that's how they originally ran in the UK comic. This will be like the Dredd collection, the volume numbers won't match the issue numbers, by which I mean the first issue on sale, issue one, won't be volume one.
Today I got Dredd issues 44 and 45, which are volume 47 and 80.
It just means variety in what's published, but with something like this makes it impossible to read in order.
This is nice in that the details for the first few volumes show this is Marvel, Dreamwave and IDW united. I wonder how recent they get to. I bet the cut off is The Death of Optimus Prime. 60 volumes. They'll be beautifully presented and gorgeous to collect going by the Dredd books. I don't have trades of the US Marvel stuff, just the original issues. Some nice reprints would be...
oh no, more money. More parcels. The missus would kill me.
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Post by blueshift on Sept 10, 2016 14:49:55 GMT
At £9.99 an issue and already into an age where we've had upteen reprints of this stuff, I wonder how long it will last for.
OH also I wonder if it will be the correct, proper size or the sh*tty US size!!! I bet it will be undersized!!!! I'd love to buy all the comics at the proper size, that would be the thing to sway me!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 10, 2016 14:50:22 GMT
The bad news is the seemingly random selection of issues in each book. So uh, the Target: 2006 book also has US 21-23. Okay. Sure. Whatever. Which are the US issues immediately following Target 2006 in the UK run. |
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 10, 2016 14:51:13 GMT
The good news is the colourised b&w UK strips. The bad news is the seemingly random selection of issues in each book. So uh, the Target: 2006 book also has US 21-23. Okay. Sure. Whatever. At £9.99 an issue I wonder how far we get! Hachette have had great success with that price-point. They've had two separate Marvel series running for years and the Dredd series looks like it will get the projected 60 issues. A tenner for a hardcover is great value. Walk into a comic shop and softcover trades are usually £15-30! Good luck finding a softcover trade for a tenner. The covers for these (and the spine image) look quite poor. They may be 'specially produced' but they use generic stock images from several years ago from an old style guide for the brand. So I think I will pick and choose. Where does it say B&W strips are colourised? Where is says 'newly colourised strips' it shows pages from Target: 2006. -Ralph |
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Post by blueshift on Sept 10, 2016 14:52:05 GMT
Which are the US issues immediately following Target 2006 in the UK run. Yes, but as a collection they have nothing to do with those issues, especially when if you're looking to pad it out you could put, you know, In The National Interest in there! |
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 10, 2016 14:53:59 GMT
Under the details for the individual issues. Says 'Race for the Devil' and 'Survivors' are in colour. I hope to find the first issue cheap in a newsagent and I'll go from there. The first Dredd was what, £2.99?
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Post by blueshift on Sept 10, 2016 14:54:48 GMT
Where does it say B&W strips are colourised? Where is says 'newly coloured strips; it shows pages from Target: 2006. Well I mean the Transformers comic buying fandom is a lot smaller than the Marvel comics buying fandom, and there's been a lot of reprints already, a lot of them at bargain prices! I picked you up a £3 hardback Dark Star remember, and there were plenty of other TF trades sitting there at £1.99 unsold! Also they are the 213+ black and white strips coloured |
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 10, 2016 14:55:17 GMT
Under the details for the individual issues. Says 'Race for the Devil' and 'Survivors' are in colour. I hope to find the first issue cheap in a newsagent and I'll go from there. The first Dredd was what, £2.99? Ah. I could not find that on the mobile version but I see it now on the desktop site. -Ralph |
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 10, 2016 14:55:39 GMT
Yes, but as a collection they have nothing to do with those issues, especially when if you're looking to pad it out you could put, you know, In The National Interest in there! It'll all be in order. The previous volume will finish with In The National Interest. The full set will run as one chronological sequence. |
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Post by blueshift on Sept 10, 2016 14:57:39 GMT
Yes, but as a collection they have nothing to do with those issues, especially when if you're looking to pad it out you could put, you know, In The National Interest in there! It'll all be in order. The previous volume will finish with In The National Interest. The full set will run as one chronological sequence. That's the intent, but if it gets to the position where they reprint the entire UK/US G1 line I will eat my hat. And not in a fake Ralph way!! I'd rather have a nice standalone volume! |
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 10, 2016 14:58:44 GMT
Well I mean the Transformers comic buying fandom is a lot smaller than the Marvel comics buying fandom, and there's been a lot of reprints already, a lot of them at bargain prices! I picked you up a £3 hardback Dark Star remember, and there were plenty of other TF trades sitting there at £1.99 unsold! Also they are the 213+ black and white strips coloured You did, thankyou. Reduced to £3 after over a decade on shelves. You're not going to find newly produced volumes at the price though. Seriously: a tenner for a book. How is that expensive in the current market? What I personally find expensive is buying a whole set of partworks. That is why I tend to pick and choose. I can manage the occassional volume but not the lot! This will be using the newsstand/subscriber model. It's aimed at a different market from us/The Fandom. Whether there is enough of an audience out there for a series of books (at any price) we will see as it goes! I think I will grab the first volume anyway to see what the presentation is like. -Ralph |
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Post by blueshift on Sept 10, 2016 14:59:38 GMT
The site says vol 1 is £1.99 which would be a purchase from me even if it's just full of childish scribbles!!
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 10, 2016 15:00:10 GMT
OH also I wonder if it will be the correct, proper size or the sh*tty US size!!! I bet it will be undersized!!!! I'd love to buy all the comics at the proper size, that would be the thing to sway me! I expect it will follow the template they've used for the Dredd and Doctor Who collections, so the books will be 7.5 inches wide and 9.75 inches tall. This really is very odd. I can see the market for Who, and Dredd just about, but Transformers? especially given, like me, the target market here may already be knee deep in one of the other two collections. Still, it'd be a lovely easy reference to the complete canon. |
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 10, 2016 15:00:29 GMT
It'll all be in order. The previous volume will finish with In The National Interest. The full set will run as one chronological sequence. That's the intent, but if it gets to the position where they reprint the entire UK/US G1 line I will eat my hat. And not in a fake Ralph way!! I'd rather have a nice standalone volume! Personally, I would love a series that printed UK and US Marvel in order, just like the comic did back in the day. We've had multiple reprints of each in separate volumes but not together. It would be a unique selling point to replicate the Marvel UK comic reading experience! Well at least to me! -Ralph |
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Post by blueshift on Sept 10, 2016 15:03:19 GMT
That's the intent, but if it gets to the position where they reprint the entire UK/US G1 line I will eat my hat. And not in a fake Ralph way!! I'd rather have a nice standalone volume! Personally, I would love a series that printed UK and US Marvel in order, just like the comic did back in the day. We've had multiple reprints of each in separate volumes but not together. It would be a unique selling point to replicate the Marvel UK comic reading experience! Well at least to me! -Ralph Yeah. I'm softening to the idea. I mean, the publishing in stratified US/UK collections has changed how the stories are read/viewed. But then again, some of the placement is really weird and doesn't work (looking at you, massive gap between US#4 and #5!!!) |
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 10, 2016 15:12:26 GMT
I HAVE SUBSCRIBED.
I CHOOSE THE DANGER.
-Ralph
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Post by blueshift on Sept 10, 2016 15:17:39 GMT
I HAVE SUBSCRIBED. I CHOOSE THE DANGER. -Ralph |
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 10, 2016 15:17:44 GMT
Quick random calculation: The cover for Target 2006 says it's volume 6, so that means volumes 1-5 cover UK issues 1-77.
Multiplied by 11 pages of strip per issue and divided by five volumes gives you an average page count of about 170 pages per book, giving a very rough reckoning that the first 20-22ish volumes will cover the holy 332 if you bung in the annual strips and the issues that had more than 11 strip pages in.
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 10, 2016 15:18:49 GMT
Blueshift did not get my Star Trek III reference. I am sad.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 10, 2016 15:21:19 GMT
The lure of the Autobot insigna belt buckle was just too much for him.
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 10, 2016 15:29:48 GMT
I will be the "envy" of my "Transformers loving friends" it says.
-Ralph
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Post by inflatabledalek on Sept 10, 2016 15:44:41 GMT
It's worth noting they've been doing a trial of a Star Trek comics partwork through IDW as well, this would seem to be a similalrly small market (as popular as Trek is, it's not something people think of as a comics franchise first and foremost), presumably that trial has been successful enough for them to look into similar things IDW have on their books.
That's where it is worth remembering something the website doesn't mention (and they never do, part of the test is how many subscribers they can get and they don't want to put any off by making it look local) is that UK partworks almost always start with a test run in one part of the country (usually in the North of England for some reason, though the Trek book could be bought around the Leamington area), if that's a success it then restarts with issue one nationwide. Which at least has the advantage of them being reasonably sure it will go the distance, so if it does reach the whole country it's unlikely you'll only get a partial collection. Based on the gap between the Who test and the full launch we'll probably be looking early next year if they decide it's a goer (and of course they may not, a classic Thunderbirds test was a failure a couple of years ago).
They've certainly stocked the decks in favour of what UK Transformers comics fans are likely to be interested in, a lot of Marvel and all involving Furman in the initial wave of issues, so the stuff they remember best and the author whose name they'd recognise the most.
The test also gets used to sort out any things people don't like, so hopefully the covers (which I agree are a bit meh) will be rethought, the Who book design was giving a working over after its test.
Whether people who subscribe to the test actually get the test issues seems to vary a bit, sometimes their interest is just noted and they're told they'll be charged and posted only when the series launches properly, sometimes they get the test issues and then the "Regular" series duplicates for free. I think it can depend on when you subscribe during the trial.
Unlike the estemed Blueshift, a series that treats the US and UK comic as one as it was originally presented to us is extremely appealing, it's actually more of a shame it looks the formally B&W stuff is going to be used as padding material (Race and Survivors are a way adrift of Primal Scream in publishing order, though obviously getting the B&W stuff to sync up properly when each US issue is split into 4 and often absent entirely would be a headache inducer).
Also keen on the American Marvel stuff getting some behind the scenes info.
I was trying to roughly work out how much Dreamwave stuff was going to be seen, taking Edge as the penultimate Marvel book (before a G2 one) and Stormbriger as the second IDW one (give or take), but I can't quite make out the volume numbers on the front of any bar Target 2006 being volume 6.
EDIT FOR DISCLAIMER: All the above assumes there hasn't been a trail run I didn't hear anything about.
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Post by blueshift on Sept 10, 2016 15:47:30 GMT
it's actually more of a shame it looks the formally B&W stuff is going to be used as padding material (Race and Survivors are a way adrift of Primal Scream in publishing order, though obviously getting the B&W stuff to sync up properly when each US issue is split into 4 and often absent entirely would be a headache inducer). It looks like they're going to be putting US 56-61 in that trade too, which makes sense with Race with the Devil as a lead-in (but fails at vol #3 with 'publish everything in UK order so I guess that makes me right after all! Ha ha!) |
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 10, 2016 15:50:08 GMT
Stormbringer: 35
Primal Scream: 16
Edge of Extinction: 18
War Within: 28
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Post by inflatabledalek on Sept 10, 2016 15:50:51 GMT
it's actually more of a shame it looks the formally B&W stuff is going to be used as padding material (Race and Survivors are a way adrift of Primal Scream in publishing order, though obviously getting the B&W stuff to sync up properly when each US issue is split into 4 and often absent entirely would be a headache inducer). It looks like they're going to be putting US 56-61 in that trade too, which makes sense with Race with the Devil as a lead-in (but fails at vol #3 with 'publish everything in UK order so I guess that makes me right after all! Ha ha!) It's issue 3 but volume 16ish (I need new glasses I think to make these things out). This will get confusing  . That actually makes sense then, presumably each of the Furman US run books will have a spate of B&W stuff that's roughly contemporary in it. Which is fair enough, that's a section that would be hard to lay out exactly chronologically in any way. |
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Post by blueshift on Sept 10, 2016 15:54:00 GMT
It looks like they're going to be putting US 56-61 in that trade too, which makes sense with Race with the Devil as a lead-in (but fails at vol #3 with 'publish everything in UK order so I guess that makes me right after all! Ha ha!) It's issue 3 but volume 16ish (I need new glasses I think to make these things out). This will get confusing . That actually makes sense then, presumably each of the Furman US run books will have a spate of B&W stuff that's roughly contemporary in it. Which is fair enough, that's a section that would be hard to lay out exactly chronologically in any way. I demand the US stories are interrupted every 5 pages by a UK story. Let's do it properly! :v I forget, did the previous reprints of the UK b/w strips include that Micromaster silhouette you were supposed to find? That needs to be in there too! |
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Post by inflatabledalek on Sept 10, 2016 15:57:33 GMT
Actually, those numbers from pinwig seem off, unless Stormbringer isn't going to be an early IDW one or there's masses of DW between 19 (the G2 book) and the IDW run starting.
Unless there's going to be a mass of stuff that normally doesn't get reprinted in that gap? TF in 3D?
Actually, I suppose the Devil's Due GI Joe crossovers will go there as well, plus the G2 crossover issues (though they could go in the G2 book perhaps? Though that and the Fleetway comic might be enough to make two volumes for that series). Maybe even things like the film adaptation and the original Joe crossover as well. As long as Headmasters is in the right place chronologically (which IDW never do with their reprints!) those being treated as out of sequence bonuses doesn't bother me so much.
Unreprinted Dreawave as well maybe? I suppose we'll tell if the War Within book has what was of volume 3 in there as well. I think there's more of the Dreamwave ongoing that could be reprinted than we've ever seen even if the legal issues still affect the final issues of the run.
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