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Post by Toph on Sept 25, 2015 1:44:05 GMT
Hotrod was my absolute favorite G1 toy. I completely adored his vehicle mode.
I think he was my favorite vehicle mode of the entire franchise.
Sunbow's version was fat and wide and never could exist. But the toy felt like it could be a real car if someone wanted it to be.
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Post by duffism1981 on Sept 25, 2015 4:45:33 GMT
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Post by Toph on Sept 25, 2015 6:23:50 GMT
His chest does look odd. But over all it's still a significant improvement over the first one.
Hopefully there are still improvements yet to be made.
He needs vehicle kibble on his legs to both bulk them out, and make him look right. His chest needs to be shortened some, and his spoiler needs to be more pronounced.
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 25, 2015 7:19:13 GMT
Nice looking robot.
-Ralph
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Post by Marc Graham on Sept 25, 2015 8:13:14 GMT
Should get cheaper western release so I think I'll pick one up - looks nice might splash for Takara version!  |
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Post by Llama God on Sept 25, 2015 8:16:56 GMT
I'm suddenly less excited about Hot Rod than I thought I'd be. My main concern is how the torso's formed - MP-09 had some issues with the way that the car folded up to make the torso, and ended up with very dubious waist articulation and a tendency to fall apart. Unfortunately, it looks like they're going with the same approach here. I guess I'll have to wait for reviews to come out...
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Post by Bogatan on Sept 25, 2015 10:42:02 GMT
I do hope its still not quite finalised and or not transformed properly because the chest does look a bit wrong. Upper body doesnt look quite as large as it did in the silhouette, but still might be a touch bigger than it should be.
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Post by primenova on Sept 25, 2015 11:54:46 GMT
They don't need to do the chest comparement. So they should have it resorted with the final release. Hope we get to see the extra we get with it & a colour image. Are they going to release at same time with Shockwave - so 2 at once?
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Post by Benn on Sept 25, 2015 12:28:22 GMT
I like it. I'll have it.
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 25, 2015 22:14:46 GMT
Good enough, but it doesn't wow like seeing Sideswipe and Prowl did. These figures are getting less and less detailed and the last few all have something off in their proportions.
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 26, 2015 8:57:18 GMT
One could argue less detail brings them closer to the simple and clean Sunbow animation models.
-Ralph
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Post by Toph on Sept 26, 2015 9:20:59 GMT
The toys largely informed my views on TFs.
The cartoon lasted only a few years before it faded to oblivion, rarely to be seen again before the age of DVD.
Toys that match detail for detail (or lack there of) are meaningless.
Shockwave, like Ultra Magnus and Hotrod, are much more toy based in my head and memories. When they lack very specific toy details (shockwave's curvy limbs, Hotrod's legs and car mode, Magnus's inner robot), they are just completely wrong.
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Post by Bogatan on Sept 26, 2015 10:09:36 GMT
Good enough, but it doesn't wow like seeing Sideswipe and Prowl did. These figures are getting less and less detailed and the last few all have something off in their proportions. I'm not a fan of the licensed vehicle modes. At least not when they affect the toy as much as Bumblebee and potentially scupper the likes of Cliffjumper, but the major upside is that they bring a level of detail to robot mode that TakaraTomy clearly arent that interested in doing. So far I can justify it, Starsabers toy really is that plain, Ironhide is based totally on the animation model and Shockwave is just kind of how I picture Shockwave, probably because with no toy in the UK my mental image is completely based on the cartoon. Hotrod I wait on final images to judge, but on the whole I hope its not a trend that continues. It might also be due to the change back to the earlier MP designer. |
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Post by blueshift on Sept 26, 2015 10:48:41 GMT
I'm not a fan of the licensed vehicle modes. At least not when they affect the toy as much as Bumblebee and potentially scupper the likes of Cliffjumper, I agree, I'd prefer a masterpiece Bumblebee vehicle mode to have looked like Bumblebee's weird little deformed car thing. What's the issue with Cliffjumper? |
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Post by Toph on Sept 26, 2015 11:01:22 GMT
Cliffjumper is a porche, and thus looks nothing like his toy OR animation model.
Meanwhile MP has become a weird thing with nearly Alternator level vehicles, with sunbow robots.
(They should knock out the lisence car thing because Alternators really did this same thing significantly better)
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 26, 2015 12:02:10 GMT
One could argue less detail brings them closer to the simple and clean Sunbow animation models. -Ralph That's certainly true, but it isn't really what I want. If these are Masterpiece they shouldn't look like simplified cheap toys. I think Prime/Soundwave/Sideswipe/Prowl seem to have been a pinnacle. Things have been on the slide since then, slowly, but then more rapidly with Ironhide. I'm pinning my hopes on Tracks being Prowl quality. This Hot Rod sculpt and the Shockwave one almost look like clay sculpts, the lines aren't straight in many places. I'm hoping these are really really early prototypes and the eventual end results will be far superior. I fear only resculpting though will sort out Hot Rod's flat chest. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 26, 2015 12:07:50 GMT
What's the issue with Cliffjumper? Cliffjumper is a porche, and thus looks nothing like his toy OR animation model. Meanwhile MP has become a weird thing with nearly Alternator level vehicles, with sunbow robots. (They should knock out the lisence car thing because Alternators really did this same thing significantly better) This came up when MP Red BB was revealed. See tmukhub.proboards.com/post/207186/thread for useful links illustrating the problem |
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Post by Bogatan on Sept 26, 2015 13:31:20 GMT
One could argue less detail brings them closer to the simple and clean Sunbow animation models. -Ralph That's certainly true, but it isn't really what I want. If these are Masterpiece they shouldn't look like simplified cheap toys. I think Prime/Soundwave/Sideswipe/Prowl seem to have been a pinnacle. Things have been on the slide since then, slowly, but then more rapidly with Ironhide. I'm pinning my hopes on Tracks being Prowl quality. This Hot Rod sculpt and the Shockwave one almost look like clay sculpts, the lines aren't straight in many places. I'm hoping these are really really early prototypes and the eventual end results will be far superior. I fear only resculpting though will sort out Hot Rod's flat chest. I really do think they are that early on. Remember how bad CW superion looked when it was revealed last year and that was close to production. Tracks looks to be of similar quality to the other cars, fingers crossed. Hot Rods chest is just weird. |
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 26, 2015 13:40:16 GMT
They may well be timed warning shots. The reissue Quakewaves are a month off, and the Cloud 9 one is still early prototype. If Hasbro/Takara really do take 3P seriously this might just be them firing across their bows to inform buyers that these two are coming.
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 26, 2015 17:29:21 GMT
The toys largely informed my views on TFs. The cartoon lasted only a few years before it faded to oblivion, rarely to be seen again before the age of DVD. . Depends on when folk were fans. In the 90's through to around when the shows started to come out on DVD those old cartoons were utterly revered online in a way it's hard to understand now. I recall huge swathes of discussion on ATT and the early big US sites about the cartoon. From someone outside looking in it seemed that Transformers was a cartoon people loved that also happened to have some toys (not much comic chat). -Ralph |
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Post by blueshift on Sept 26, 2015 17:30:53 GMT
The toys largely informed my views on TFs. The cartoon lasted only a few years before it faded to oblivion, rarely to be seen again before the age of DVD. . Depends on when folk were fans. In the 90's through to around when the shows started to come out on DVD those old cartoons were utterly revered online in a way it's hard to understand now. I recall huge swathes of discussion on ATT and the early big US sites about the cartoon. From someone outside looking in it seemed that Transformers was a cartoon people loved that also happened to have some toys (not much comic chat). -Ralph I remember when the cartoon started to be released properly on VHS in America in about 2001, people were so excited (and disappointed in equal measure!) Also you can't even begin to imagine what a big deal Devcon was! |
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 26, 2015 17:34:48 GMT
And Nightbird. Folk used to lose their minds over Devcon and Nightbird.
-Ralph
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Post by blueshift on Sept 26, 2015 17:39:21 GMT
And Nightbird. Folk used to lose their minds over Devcon and Nightbird. -Ralph Oh god yeah how could I forget Nightbird. From the way people went on about them, you'd be forgiven for thinking they were two of the main characters of the Transformer mythos, just below Optimus Prime. And now people care so little we've not even had a half-assed repaint pretending to be those characters (okay, so Nightbird IS getting on in Japan and we got a TFCC Devcon, but they've been gunning for a Devcon since the attempt at a Botcon red and blue BM Mirage was foiled) |
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 26, 2015 19:55:41 GMT
Paradron Medic used to be A Big Deal too!
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 26, 2015 19:57:55 GMT
I had the Japanese repaint of Energon Arcee done as her
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Post by blueshift on Sept 26, 2015 20:10:45 GMT
Paradron Medic used to be A Big Deal too! -Ralph Oh wow, I remember her! To be fair, her being a BIG DEAL was 100% down to the PVCs. Remember those? Those were a BIG DEAL as well. A rare chance to own a representation of a G1 character. Now we have eleventy billion such things. Not sure if thats' better  |
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 26, 2015 20:13:15 GMT
People lost their minds over the PVC's! I used to have boxes of them!
-Ralph
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Post by blueshift on Sept 26, 2015 20:18:43 GMT
People lost their minds over the PVC's! I used to have boxes of them! -Ralph $300 Skywarp? YES PLEASE! I really enjoyed the PVC era |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 26, 2015 20:25:58 GMT
Digibash found on the book of face  |
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 26, 2015 20:34:13 GMT
Mmm. That's better. Nice
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